Now that the corporate media has finally woken up from their spell, and started challenging Obama, it seems that voters too are waking up. Though it will go all the way to the convention (and perhaps as far as the third ballot as it did in 1952), the better candidate, Hilary Rodham Clinton will be the next president, and I predict that she'll select Obama as her running mate. Now there's a job he'll be great at, and by the end of eight years he'll be able to take over the reins of power himself.

I can't say I'm surprised to have seen the overeager support of Obama here at KJ, given the fear (and fear-based anger) of powerful women that is apparent every time a movie featuring a powerful female leading character, as I have pointed out earlier:



At any rate, I'm glad that Clinton will now win, that Obama will have a place as her sidekick, and that we can get on with the business of kicking some Republican butt and then rebuilding America!

I'm sure that even all the Barackobot Obamatron's will see this as the best path (at least once they get through their HAL 9000 deprogramming meltdown moment)...

Honestly, how is she going to win this. She won't have the delegate, will not have won more states and won't have the popular vote. Echoing what another poster said about this situation when it all comes down to the supers they aren't just going to go against those three key items. I can't see it happening. I don't see him accepting VP and I don't see Clinton winning against McCain and even if she did win she'll be one and done because she won't end the situation in Iraq, the economy will be in disarray and her health care plan will get stuck in Congress. All that said, if the dems want to lose BE MY GUEST.

1. She's still behind in delegates in case you haven't noticed. Obama came from 20 points behind in Ohio and Texas to within a point or two in both. Don't call it over yet. As to who will get it, I have no idea.

2. Obama will never be the VP of Hillary. She's not going to have someone on the ticket who will overshadow her and get more people attending his rallies than her.

Well, there are a lot of variables here.

1. If she gets the nomination even though she is behind in delegates, that is going to cause a major problem... Many Obama supporters will boycott the democrats (like I said in other posts) and see the party as being "undemocratic". Can't imagine he will be part of it at that point.

2. If she does get the delegates to win, and seriously has more than Obama (not counting superdelegates) then it is a possibility that the party will force her to take him.

However, #2 is very unlikely, given the math. She'd have to win the remaining states by 75% or so, and that's not going to happen.

You guys think the Democratic Primary system is a Democracy, how cute!

there will not be a clinton/obama ticker or vice versa.

too much bad blood between the two to accept a VP nomination from either of them. Besides Obama has too much pride and respect to accept a position with Hillary.

I told you, I think Hillary offers Obama the VeP, and he turns it down.

Of course Hillary will say that she will consider Obama as VP -- strategically, it implies that she is the front-runner (even though she isn't). It was good politics for her to say that.

That works to obamas benefit. just wait till the entire country is saying in august "obama had more votes, states, and delegates but they gave it to hillary?"

the party would be a joke, this is not a theory its a fact. if its hillary who leads all 3 n they give ti to obama its the same.

The thing they will be most concerned about is bring the party together to rally and defeat john mccain im november, and by eliminating the most popular candidate-right now its obama and should stay that way-is not how you rally or bring people together and they know it. The best thing is a joint ticket, and what they will do is put the most popular person and one in best position to defeat mccain (something theyll determine by polls and votier demos) and put that on top and offer the VP to the other.

And guess what? Its just about mathetmatically IMPOSSIBLE Hillary catches him in total votes and delegates. It IS mathematiclaly impossible she matches his state count.

Until someone explains how she overcomes that, i dont see how anything else is really plausible.

Everyone knew the rules from the outset, including the role of superdelegates, and all participants also know the "non-democratic" reality of modern day politics.

For Obama, it's all over except for the petulance of his supporters (who are so young, they haven't grown a thick enough skin to bounce back from their unrealistic dreaming).

The important thing is defeating McCain in November - - and the graciousness shown by Hilary in offering Obama the second chair despite his impending defeat is a great start towards that goal!

this is a joke. she won 2 must wins so now she doesnt have to face critiscm for not dropping out. good for her. but to say its all over for obama when he has virtually insurmountable leads in delegates and popular vote?

Heh, the race was all about momentum - - at least until Obama lost momentum...

yeah, imagine the momemtum hell have for all june, july, and august leading up to the convention as the pressumptive nominee because with primaries done, he leads in delegates, votes, and states

Momentum hell, indeed!

Bradley you are an idiot. If Clinton wins the majority of the upcoming states like Pennsylvania, Indiana, and such by 10%, she will still be way behind in delegates. CNN did the math, and in order for her to pass obama in pledged delegates she has to start winning about 60%-40% in most every state, something that will not happen. And Clinton does not have the momentum, she stopped Obama's momentum. Beside's last night, I can't remember the last time she won a state, what was it, super tuesday? I dont even remember. She was desperate to finally win. Even though she won last night, her delegate count, which is what really matters, was only about +4 according to Obama, but for the sake of arguing we will plus 10, she is still way behind.

You mean Texas, as in the state where Obama actually got more delegates? You mean Texas, a red state that doesn't really matter according to Hillary?

Blame him for what mess? The mess where Hillary lost a 20% lead in 3 weeks in Texas? Why blame Barack?

Actually, I read in the Times that she already hinted on a double ticket today. I don't think these two would be opposed to running together. The media reminds me of the second season of Survivor (which is the last season I knew anything about). They basically tried to edit what viewers saw into some massive fight with bitches and conniving men, etc. In the end, all the people interviewed after the show was over acted surprised and said there was marginal fighting (maybe 1% of the total time on the island) and lots of reconciling after fights. The editors of Survivor just took that 1% and blew it up to make the story-arch for the season. Mark my words, I think there will be a double ticket. The only chance there wouldn't be is if Ms. Rodham-Clinton opts for Strickland instead. That's the only one option B I see.

WTF?

He's ahead of her in delgates, and has won more states, and you're saying it's over for him?

She needs to win 57% or so of all the votes left in order to get the nomination. He only needs 46%. He can lose every single primary coming up and still have enough delegates to get the nomination, and he's the one for whom it's all over?

Man! The Hillary people say the Obama folks are deluded, but if they have you believing this, I think we know who the deluded people are.

So Obama will automatically take Clinton as his VP? Yeah right! He loses more with her on the ticket. He needs an old white guy. So does she, no matter how much fundraising, youth vote, etc. Obama brings to the table. Both of them would be best off taking an old white guy.

Well, let me first say that I think Hillary wins at least 4 of the remaining states, and wins any recounts in Florida or Michigan. I think that when the convention hits, your going to see her carrying more than 57-60% of superdelegates, and I think the nomination swings to her.

However, it is possible that in a brokered convention, a backroom deal could be worked out where they create a ticket via negotiation.

Brokaw reported on Monday that Obama has 50 superdelegates ready to declare for him. I know of 2 of them that declared today, one of which was not included in the 50 number. She was neutral and waited until her district voted in the Ohio primary. Her district went for Obama so she kept to her word and endorsed Obama today. This is how all the superdelegates should go, including Kerry, Kennedy, etc.

That doesn't attempt to you mean. There's a difference. Looks like he's changing his direction on this and is going to start fighting back.

Wait, has hillary won? i thought Obama was still winning, and apart from some sort of miracle hillary still has no chance of winning?