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Author:  Dkmuto [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  UT Austin Debate

Texas debate on right now. (It's actually literally happening right across the street from me right now on the UT campus, but they didn't open it to the public. :()

Discuss!

Author:  Timayd [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: UT Austin Debate

I'm not for Hillary of at all, but I can't stand watching the train wreck of her trying to attack Barack on the speech thing and the supporter who couldn't name a policy. When you're getting booed, you have to stop.

Author:  Dkmuto [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:10 pm ]
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Timayd wrote:
I'm not for Hillary of at all, but I can't stand watching the train wreck of her trying to attack Barack on the speech thing and the supporter who couldn't name a policy. When you're getting booed, you have to stop.


Yeah, why she thought it'd be a good idea to bring that up is beyond me. Of course Obama would just counter with what he has done and Hillary, once again, gets the "negative" label.

Author:  Dkmuto [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:11 pm ]
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I'm also not sure that Hillary knew that the guy who couldn't answer the question about Obama's record (Kirk Watson) represents Austin.

Author:  Passionate Thug [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:14 pm ]
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It's over and Hillary knows it. That last answer and speech from her was as good as a concession/ defeat statement.

Author:  A. G. [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:24 pm ]
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Dkmuto wrote:
I'm also not sure that Hillary knew that the guy who couldn't answer the question about Obama's record (Kirk Watson) represents Austin.

Hah. What did she say?

Author:  Cotton [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:30 pm ]
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Change you can xerox? lol

Aside from that moment, though, I thought Hillary did pretty well. She always has a very clear and concise way of expressing herself during debates. What sucks for her though, is that the xerox line is probably the one moment in that debate that people are going to talk about.

Author:  Groucho [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:33 pm ]
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Passionate Thug wrote:
It's over and Hillary knows it. That last answer and speech from her was as good as a concession/ defeat statement.


Yes, and it was the best, most uplifting, Obama-like thing she had said all night! If she spoke like that all the time, she would be giving Obama more of a challenge.

I guess words do matter!

Author:  Dkmuto [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:06 am ]
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Archie Gates wrote:
Dkmuto wrote:
I'm also not sure that Hillary knew that the guy who couldn't answer the question about Obama's record (Kirk Watson) represents Austin.

Hah. What did she say?


She mentioned the incident, how she thought it was funny that one of Obama's supporters couldn't note any of his accomplishments.

Author:  Rev [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:14 am ]
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That was a great ending speech by Hillary.
It was almost like she copied one of Obama's speeches.
;)

Author:  Jedi Master Carr [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:57 am ]
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Rev wrote:
That was a great ending speech by Hillary.
It was almost like she copied one of Obama's speeches.
;)

She actually copied one of John Edwards speeches :p She has been doing that a lot.

Author:  Rev [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:18 am ]
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Jedi Master Carr wrote:
Rev wrote:
That was a great ending speech by Hillary.
It was almost like she copied one of Obama's speeches.
;)

She actually copied one of John Edwards speeches :p She has been doing that a lot.


:funny:

Author:  Beeblebrox [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:11 am ]
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There do seem to be some indications that she will bow out gracefully if she doesn't win Texas and Ohio. Color me pleasantly surprised.

Author:  Anita Hussein Briem [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:39 am ]
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Beeblebrox wrote:
There do seem to be some indications that she will bow out gracefully if she doesn't win Texas and Ohio. Color me pleasantly surprised.

Samewise. I actually found it admirable how she refrained from making certain attacks when opportunity allowed -- I could almost sense her holding back in fear of feeding punch lines to McCain. Very magnanimous; color me surprised as well.

Author:  redfirebird2008 [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:22 am ]
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Speaking of plagiarism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

Author:  redfirebird2008 [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:26 am ]
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Dkmuto wrote:
Archie Gates wrote:
Dkmuto wrote:
I'm also not sure that Hillary knew that the guy who couldn't answer the question about Obama's record (Kirk Watson) represents Austin.

Hah. What did she say?


She mentioned the incident, how she thought it was funny that one of Obama's supporters couldn't note any of his accomplishments.


As if she wasn't already going to get her ass kicked in Austin, I'm guessing that will only make it even more of a landslide for Barack. And if more college kids around the country saw this video, they'd vote even more against Hillary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBJl4lsoJZs

Author:  redfirebird2008 [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:07 am ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
It's hard to debate Obama. I mean, anytime you want to question his lack of experience, or the number of times he's pressed the wrong button, or failed to vote yes or no, or shady business dealings, or lying about using drugs and his childhood to sale more books, or being creative with his speeches, he totally avoids it.

He's apparently unlike every politican before him, great and shite, whom have had to answer for their questionable behaviour.

Instead, Obama will say something like "I'm not here for the same old patty cake games, I'm here to take about the issues." What's great is that he'll then follow that up WITHOUT exactly talking about the issues. He'll give some inspirational speech and the masses fawn. Or he'll sneeze and they go "ahhhhhhhhhhh."

It really is a cult of personality. It's fun to look at. :hahaha:


What's funny is when he actually does talk about the issues, people like you never give him any credit for it. :lol:

Author:  Groucho [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:20 pm ]
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Loyal, I am an Obama supporter. I'm also a Clinton supporter. I just like Obama better.

Do you realize how insulting it is to say that those of us who support Obama are apparently so dim and easily mainuplated that we can't see that he, like every other human on earth, does have some flaws? We're not all duped, you know. Some of us have evaulated both candidates and have come to the conclusion that we like one more than the other.

You list some minor concerns with Obama. I could counter with some major ones about Clinton. No one is perfect. Your concerns really seem to me to be stretching. I mean, if those little things you mentioned are all the bad things you can say about Obama, that's pretty good, really.

Author:  jujubee [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:44 pm ]
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http://blog.brendanloy.com/2008/02/plagiarism.html

:hahaha:

Author:  xiayun [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: UT Austin Debate

Angela Merkel wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
There do seem to be some indications that she will bow out gracefully if she doesn't win Texas and Ohio. Color me pleasantly surprised.

Samewise. I actually found it admirable how she refrained from making certain attacks when opportunity allowed -- I could almost sense her holding back in fear of feeding punch lines to McCain. Very magnanimous; color me surprised as well.


Not so fast just yet:

Quote:
That’s not the case at all. I signed an agreement not to campaign in Michigan and Florida. Now, the DNC made the determination that they would not seat the delegates, but I was not party to that. I think it’s important for the DNC to ask itself, Is this really in the best interest of our eventual nominee? We do not want to be disenfranchising Michigan and Florida. We have to try to carry both of those states. I’d love to carry Texas, but it’s usually not in the electoral calculation for the Democratic nominee. Florida and Michigan are. Therefore, the people of those two states disregarded adamantly the DNC’s decision that they would not seat the delegates. They came out and voted. If they had been influenced by the DNC, despite the fact that there was very little campaigning, if any, they would have stayed home. But they wanted their voices heard. More than 2 million people came out. I mean, it was record turnout for a primary. Florida, in particular, is sensitive to being disenfranchised because of what happened to them in the last elections. I have said that I would ask my delegates to vote to seat.


So looks like Clinton is laying the groundwork for the Texas-doesn't-count spin and will continue as long as she wins Ohio.

Author:  redfirebird2008 [ Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:25 pm ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuEDkqVvpkk

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary -- who's the one Xeroxing now? :disgust:

Author:  Beeblebrox [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:29 am ]
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Just as loudly as Obama supporters talk crap about Hillary, I do the same about Obama. Regardless, I'm happy with either in the White House... just moreso Hillary.


So you're happy with the guy in the WH who dodges questions "anytime you want to question his lack of experience, or the number of times he's pressed the wrong button, or failed to vote yes or no, or shady business dealings, or lying about using drugs and his childhood to sale more books, or being creative with his speeches."

You're happy about the lying, shady, inexperienced plagiarist winning the presidency? I ask this because I'm an Obama supporter who has been critical of Hillary. But if she gets the nomination, I can't just suddenly pretend like the horrible things I've said never happened. I'm not an etch-a-sketch. I won't vote for her for the reasons I've stated previously even if she gets the nomination. I just don't get people who can utterly trash someone with mostly baseless mud-slinging, and then say they'd be happy either way. Are you really just trashing him because you like Hillary SLIGHTLY better?

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