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 2024 election - Trump vs Harris (the final countdown) 

Is Biden vs Trump 2 really going to happen?
Yes, it is inevitable 54%  54%  [ 7 ]
No - A rematch just doesn’t feel right! Something has to give 46%  46%  [ 6 ]
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 2024 election - Trump vs Harris (the final countdown) 
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Post Re: 2024 election - It's Joever, Biden Steps Down
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Those that say Biden was brave to step down and praise him are lying to themselves. He was forced out against his will, plain and simple. He won 2020 because he was the most moderate of the democrats, people voted for him not Harris people also forget Trump got 70 million votes last time in a loss.
He didn't have to do it though. In 2028, when people are telling Trump that he is too old and that running for a third term might irrevocably damage our democratic process, do you think he will willingly give up power? Of course not. Giving up power isn't easy. See: January 6th, 2021 (though somewhat ironically, this event looks like it actually stopped the steal from happening in hindsight, as all other conservatives were kinda like "ewwww are we with them?")


He cannot run for a third term because of the 22d ammendment that was established after Roosvelt got 4 terms.
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Post Re: 2024 election - It's Joever, Biden Steps Down
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I don't think Biden really had a choice. Pelosi told him it can be the easy way or the hard way. They probably would've used 25th amendment to force him out.
I think you need a majority of congress to do it. There were definitely dems who were unhappy with how Biden was getting pushed out. And perhaps more importantly, Republicans wanted him to stay in the race since he was an easy target for Trump. The Biden is too old" thing was a huge part of his campaign and now its been turned against him.


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Kamala's new black on green logo looks awfully familiar. Charli XCX for VP?


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I don't think Biden really had a choice. Pelosi told him it can be the easy way or the hard way. They probably would've used 25th amendment to force him out.


This is already the hard way. The ”easy way” Biden would have a public address about this with Kamala Harris, rather than disappearing from public eye, potentially forcibly incapacitated.


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Want to note that Kamala's seemingly very normal, warm, every-man husband is going to be a giant asset to her when campaigning. They seem like a very normal "First Couple" straight out of the well-intentioned suburbs.

This is not going to be Hillary 2.0 where some woman hate her or shame her for 'phony' marriage to low-key predator Bill Clinton. Kamala is more likable and seems very, very normal.

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Yes very likable lol.


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Kamala's new black on green logo looks awfully familiar. Charli XCX for VP?


Someone needs to appeal to Gen Z because it sure AF hasn't been Hillary, Trump, or Biden. :funny:

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"I know his type"

Great line to start the campaign. Called him a predator too. Kamala's gonna learn the words to "Not Like Us" next.


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She is leaning into the Kamala the Cop persona. This is the way to go. America is so sick and tired of Trump. The coalition this time is similar to the last one but angrier.

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I would like to see them go a bit stronger into policy, though. They did that well in 2020. Now there is more "trump sucks" and less policy, the ratio needs to be fixed.

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"I know his type"

Great line to start the campaign. Called him a predator too. Kamala's gonna learn the words to "Not Like Us" next.



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Stephen Miller lost his mind the other day. Miller and Bannondorf are the real masterminds behind Trump and the real leaders of the Alt-Right movement. I really think they thought Biden was going to run until recently. So now they are claiming Biden has to still run. It would appear they have been setting in the American subversion of this campaign for the last few years that Biden was going to run. Sprinkling the Internet with “Biden’s too old” subtle propaganda pieces. Miller and Bannondorf have a mastery of the internet space and they managed to get a very successful underground online campaign out there to get both the left and the right against Biden. That’s all undone now

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Stephen Miller lost his mind the other day. Miller and Bannondorf are the real masterminds behind Trump and the real leaders of the Alt-Right movement. I really think they thought Biden was going to run until recently. So now they are claiming Biden has to still run. It would appear they have been setting in the American subversion of this campaign for the last few years that Biden was going to run. Sprinkling the Internet with “Biden’s too old” subtle propaganda pieces. Miller and Bannondorf have a mastery of the internet space and they managed to get a very successful underground online campaign out there to get both the left and the right against Biden. That’s all undone now
Seems like it was a bit too successful for what they wanted. :funny:

But yeah, they had such a winning strategy against Biden. I wouldn't have even been surprised if Trump swept all the big swings states. Now I'm feeling all optimistic again. That had to be the worst nightmare for Trump's campaign team. :D


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Post Re: 2024 election - It's Joever, Biden Steps Down
I'll predict Harris surges in the polls and is called the favorite by the media by election day, but it's possible some people end up afraid to tell pollsters they're voting for Trump instead of a black woman and she has half hearted voter enthusiasm due to being a phony politician type. Trump winning the popular vote was never realistic with a real candidate, every election lately has suggested people are split 50/50.

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I think people wanting to overturn the Dobbs decision are compelling voters more than any single issue. It is leading to several Democratic upset wins over the past two years. Now with a candidate with some enthusiasm, I think she will win. Still you are right. It is a 50/50 odds. People don’t like the woke stuff right now and she will be painted as a woke candidate. The best thing going for her is that her being a prosecutor will dampen some of the radical left arguments that they will try to push. Harris was actually kinda strict and her pro Law and Order image certainly crippled her back in 2020

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Day 2 of Kamala for President fundraising was large enough to defeat the prior day 1 record. There has been an absolutely thunderbolt of enthusiasm through Democratic America over the last 2 days.

If the Dems are smart, they're going to parlay this into a truly epic 4 week session through what should be a very highly-viewed DNC in August. Get this right and their momentum heading into September is going to be epic.

With luck, the enthusiasm for her will be so deafening that will basically overwhelm any red flags or controversies that come ala Obama in 2008.

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I don’t think the DEMs have been this unified since Obama. The coalition is different now, but almost everyone is on board. The Trump team which has been doing nothing but breathing confidence is starting to back pedal hard. The Dems need to ride this enthusiasm all the way to November.

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Didn't Kamala literally fuck her way into her main job pre all of this happening with former SF mayor Willie Brown, who helped her become DA and led to her political career? So this could be the first time in human history that a political casting couch side hoe ends up becoming head of the world's most powerful empire. Hillary (also someone who fucked her way into prominence via marriage to Bill Clinton) must be FUMING.

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Didn't Kamala literally fuck her way into her main job pre all of this happening with former SF mayor Willie Brown, who helped her become DA and led to her political career? So this could be the first time in human history that a political casting couch side hoe ends up becoming head of the world's most powerful empire. Hillary (also someone who fucked her way into prominence via marriage to Bill Clinton) must be FUMING.


This is a disgusting and breathlessly misogynistic post. Do better.

And what a way to echo the gross rhetoric the GOP is going to be using for the next few months. Will surely help build the coalition of female voters!


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Here is how I see the Harris nomination currently playing out after talking with real people;

The big positive is that for the first time in over ten years, the old progressive coalition under Obama is enthusiastic. This really destroys the whole enthusiasm gap that Trump was looking to coast to victory on. So right there this makes this a race. That is HUGE.

Moderate swing voters think Kamala is “scary.” The question here is then if these voters were always going to vote for Trump and just need an excuse because they logically know it is a bad choice or if they are genuinely swing voters. This is the whole battle here. Excel is right on the money when he says Trump is deeply unpopular. He is arguably the most hated man in the world, second or third to perhaps Putin and Netanyahu. The perk here is Kamala’s strength is her ability to go on the offense here and remind voters why they hate Trump.

Meanwhile Harris weakness is with male voters I think. This might cost her the election.

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Agreed but I don't think Kamala is "scary" to moderates at all. Trump is terrifying to moderates. Harris? No. Harris has 3 months, starting with what should be a highly watched convention, to run a centrist policy oriented campaign to convince moderates she is likable, sane, and competent. Hopefully she took notes from Biden on how to do this as Trump was completely unable to convince voters Biden was a "radical liberal". A strong white male VP pick ala Mark Kelly, or Josh Shapiro, will absolutely make a difference here.

The enormous amount of enthusiasm from younger voters, minorities, and women absolutely feels Obama esque. We will see where it goes but the difference is enormous. I do not want to jinx anything but this should absolutely be Kamala's to lose.

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Wow, the quick reversal of momentum for the GOP really brought out their ugliest side didn't it?


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In my opinion main reason Harris did so horribly in primaries because she was acting like a "fake progressive", the progressives didn't buy it enough to vote her over Bernie, but she did enough to lose the moderates. Without Bernie as competition she stands a better chance to hold progressives, but it depends how she responds to Trump pelting her with ads showing her saying leftist stuff. Does she try to act moderate to make up for it? In some ways there's a benefit to Biden not resigning in that as Potus she would have more opportunity to do things that makes the left turn on her like help Israel.

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I agree Shack. Keeping the whole Israel situation away from her as much as possible will help her stay in good graces with the progressives which she needs to come out in droves to win.

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A few thoughts.

Recent Biden vs. Trump showed a close, competitive race. Even after the debate, even clearly being old af. Donald Trump is really, really unpopular. Democrats policies, by and large, are pretty popular. There’s a very high floor for Harris, and a much larger group of undecideds open to voting for her as opposed to Joe. I think the idea that Trump was going to cruise to victory is naive. He may well have beaten Biden but it was never, ever going to be a blow out.

-Kamala was never going anywhere in 2020. It was always going to be Biden vs. Bernie. That’s it. Going hard at Biden early
Over such a silly thing was mistake but it was never going to be her. She was actually smart to leave as soon as she did to avoid any more serious damage.

I’ll be of the opinion until the moment Election Day proves me wrong that giant hoards of voters in swing states suburbs detest the idea or Trump as president, even larger groups than in 2020, but they felt borderline irresponsible voting for Biden. They’ve just been kind of waiting for someone to move them to the left. Harris, IMO, has an opportunity to exceptionally well in November if she can play it moderate. She needs to be studying Barack Obama 2008 every day lol the people want hope and change Round 2!

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