2024 election - Trump vs Harris (the final countdown)
2024 election - Trump vs Harris (the final countdown)
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Alex Y.
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Kamala’s people probably threatened 25th amendment if Biden didn’t step down and endorse her to be nominee.
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Shack
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Dangg, it's crazy that really happened, this will go down in the history books.
Congrats to the original "No - A rematch just doesn’t feel right! Something has to give" voters, though a few of you snuck a vote in the last few weeks.
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stuffp
Keeping it Light
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 am Posts: 11640 Location: Bright Falls
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 Re: 2024 election - It's Joever, Biden Steps Down
Yeah, in the end with this much mounting pressure on his position it ,seemed inevitable he would step down, still good on him for doing it. And personally it should be good for him to retire and chill at that age.
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:05 pm |
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zwackerm
Hold the door!
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 Re: 2024 election - It's Joever, Biden Steps Down
Kamala will need a killer vp pick to have a chance. She’s equally unpopular as Biden.
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:12 pm |
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neo_wolf
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Trump has won the election.
Amazing how the pressure from the Donors is what did him in. In the end money talks, not the people.
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 3:32 pm |
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Algren
now we know
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Trump will win in a landslide now.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Insider talk says Trump team is now nervous as enthusiasm on the Democrat side will win the Dems the election.
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 4:42 pm |
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Shack
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 Re: 2024 election - It's Joever, Biden Steps Down
If Biden's VP was Klobuchar and she had approval rating in mid 30s, would their move be to replace Biden with her, or does the whole ship go down together with her association with Biden being a liability, not an advantage? I'd say she goes down with him. Or at best, she becomes nominee, but has to fight off people like Newsom for it at convention. There would be no reason to completely clear out of her way and hand it to her.
The difference is obviously that Harris is black. So if the Democrats make her the auto nominee, they are basically making their bed on the "See race more" trend still being popular (basically like Marx's class consciousness idea of you have to see class more to get past it, but with race). Basically, believing progressives and minorities will turn out for the election because she's a black woman. They are a desperate party trying to take shortcuts to make people vote for them at all times. They are pushing the whole threat to democracy and Project 2025 fear-mongering a way to try to manipulate people into voting for them. They don't realize they're hurting themselves because they actually don't even need do it this way. People like left wing policies more like their views on abortion, guns and LGBT. They could be trying to win the right way but they don't trust their voters enough to respond to it.
Edit - Surprisingly Obama didn't endorse Harris. So I guess I may be speaking too soon that they're just going to hand it to Harris.
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Excel
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Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22206 Location: Places
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Joe Biden is an absolute legend and I will love him forever. Well done, Joe. He did what everyone knows Donald Trump will never do. I expect him to prove Nikki Haley's prediction of "whichever party retires their old AF nominee will win" correct. Yes, his highly visible aging made this very necessary, but his positive impact on the world as it stands today is enormous. The all-time effective VP came out of a well-earned retirement to stop Bernie (from losing to Trump) and then defeated Trump, flipping uber red states such as Georgia and Arizona in the process & getting us some Dem senate seats there in the process. He lead an epic term full of legislative accomplishments and historically impressive mid-terms. He has been a high performer in new every measurable way. And now, as every senior citizen should do, he prioritized the well-being of future generations ahead of his own, committing an iconic act of self-sacrifice that will be remembered forever. I expect many tears to be shed for what I imagine will be an absolutely iconic tribute to him at the DNC next month. Expect Dem fundraising to explode. Expect Biden's approval to jump. And Josh Shapiro is the most obvious Vice Presidential pick in a long time. GTFO with Gavin Newsom.
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neo_wolf
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Insider talk says Trump team is now nervous as enthusiasm on the Democrat side will win the Dems the election. I doubt it, Harris is even more disliked than Biden, and most in the latino community do not like her at all. Trump will win even bigger than in 2016, infact i think he will even take the popular vote. One of the problems also is that there were no democrat primaries, so the people who voted for Biden in 2020 wont even get to chose who they want in november against Trump.
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Excel
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neo_wolf wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Insider talk says Trump team is now nervous as enthusiasm on the Democrat side will win the Dems the election. I doubt it, Harris is even more disliked than Biden, and most in the latino community do not like her at all. Trump will win even bigger than in 2016, infact i think he will even take the popular vote. One of the problems also is that there were no democrat primaries, so the people who voted for Biden in 2020 wont even get to chose who they want in november against Trump. The Latino vote is weird, though. The true swing states are not latino heavy aside from Arizona. Harris urban appeal makes Georgia more winnable. She needs someone to help her lock up the midwest.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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What’s got to suck for Trump is that he survives an assassination attempt and barely anyone talks about it, hell it became old news by the RNC and now that Biden drops out EVERYONE at work was talking about it.
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neo_wolf
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: What’s got to suck for Trump is that he survives an assassination attempt and barely anyone talks about it, hell it became old news by the RNC and now that Biden drops out EVERYONE at work was talking about it. Everyone was talking about it at my work for a couple of days, they couldnt shut up about it with the conspiracies and shit.
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 6:10 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I think a lot of people are just tired of Trump, and honestly had a hard time finding sympathy for a guy who made fun of other people who survived political violence. This has woke a lot of people up and if played right will boost Democratic enthusiasm, the same enthusiasm that has been winning impressive victory after impressive victory for them over the past two years.
Dark horse long shot prediction for me is the Dems take Florida and shock the nation. Abortion is on the ballot here and with the recent influx of suburban voters over the past few years, I can see a colossal upset here
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zwackerm
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Harris will at best narrowly beat Trump if Trump starts to make big boo boos on the campaign trail AND she picks an amazing VP.
She’s not going to win them any states they lost in 2020.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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This current Supreme out being tied to Trump has really woken up people to the dangers of Trump being more than just media propaganda. Do not underestimate Trump’s Project 2025 scaring more people to a Democrat or to Kennedy. Why do you think one of the first people Trump called after his assassination with Kennedy?
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zwackerm
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The average person doesn’t even know what project 2025 issues
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:46 pm |
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Excel
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People have downplayed how widespread Trump's popularity as all year. There is a GIANT amount of people who will never vote for him after what he did in December 2020 and January 2021. What he put the country through is beyond unacceptable. His existing core likes to pretend it never happened and they have basically reverted back into 2016 and 2020 campaign mode. Undecided swing voters and moderates, many of whom did vote for DT in 2020, absolutely have not forgotten it. Not at all. Why do you think Haley continued to receive as many votes as she did, even after dropping out? Biden stepping down for the greater good is, legit, the largest possible contrast to Trump's insane attempts to hold on to power after he lost in 2020. Trump campaign should be terrified here. The negative narrative is about shift dramatically from Biden's age back to Trump's atrocious history. zwackerm wrote: She’s not going to win them any states they lost in 2020. Biden Harris won every true swing states in 2020, unless we want to lump Ohio and Florida in the swing state bucket. Harris needs to lock up PA-MI-WI as Biden and every Dem sans Hillary has, and she will be the next President. Biden won MI by a lot, PA went heavy heavy Dem in 2022, so those 2 are likely pretty solidly Dem. Wisconsin was close and will be most difficult to retain, but we'll see.
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Excel
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$27.5m in 5 hours. Fundraising, approval ratings, convention ratings, Dem polling is all about to take giant lurch forward.
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zwackerm
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Pennsylvania is more likely to go for Trump than Wisconsin per polling.
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:09 pm |
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Shack
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Harris is the type of candidate to have a lead in the polling heading into election day, underperform and then have people wonder what happened.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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zwackerm wrote: The average person doesn’t even know what project 2025 issues Keep feeling yourself that. There is a reason Trump and the online lemmings are desperately trying to debunk the ties
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zwackerm
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I honestly don’t even know what it is beyond a far right platform.
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Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:40 pm |
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Excel
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Shack wrote: Harris is the type of candidate to have a lead in the polling heading into election day, underperform and then have people wonder what happened. Based on what? Hillary's performance? There is no other reason think this. zwackerm wrote: Pennsylvania is more likely to go for Trump than Wisconsin per polling. in 2008 and 2012, Obama won PA big in 2016, Trump won PA by .7%, roughly 44,000 votes, he got 48.4% of vote in 2020, Biden won PA by 1.2%, roughly 84,000 votes, just over 50% of the vote in 2022, Shapiro won Gov by 14%, about 800,000 votes in 2022, Fetterman won Senate by 5%, about 270,000 votes Zwack, you tell me what recent history says about which party should be favored to win in PA. 2016 PA infamously had horrendous turn out in cities and urban areas and it cost Hillary the election there. Harris absolutely helped with that in 2020, along with a much stronger "GET OUT AND VOTE" effort from the Dems.
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zwackerm
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I’m not saying they will win PA, just saying it seems more likely than Wisconsin.
Harris did not do anything for turnout lol. Biden won the election cuz Trump was at peak unpopularity at that time.
Also, there’s no guarantee this election will be a high turnout election just because 2020 was. Even if Harris does better than Biden would’ve , she will barely beat trump if she does at all.
There’s no way Trump can do WORSE than in 2020. At worst he loses by similar margins.
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