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xiayun
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Rev wrote: Box wrote: torrino wrote: if ONLY it would be Obama vs. McCain in 2008. I wouldn't have much of an issue with either one. McCain would win. Easily. I think you'd even have a landslide. Obama wouldn't have the advantage of being more charismatic (McCain is too), and in addition, McCain has campaign experience and respected and admired by both sides.  Yeah, how things have changed in four years. McCain of 04 was a vastly different person than McCain of 08, while Obama has improved leaps and bounds after a tough primary campaign, and the political environment has changed dramatically too.
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Floydboy
ha ha, charade you are
Joined: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:05 pm Posts: 2210
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The McCain campaign apparently has a new theme this week: attacking Obama for wanting to "spread the wealth." Has anyone else seen the adds on the site? They seem to be much more consistant than the previous adds. But it is not clear what that really means. Many Republicans have bitterly opposed the federal income tax since the 16th amendment was passed in 1913. Is McCain going to repeal the federal income tax (a la Ron Paul)? If so, how does he plan to finance the government? Does McCain want to keep the tax but make it a flat tax (a la Steve Forbes)? Or does he mean that the difference between the top rate of 39.6% under Bill Clinton redistributed wealth unfairly and the top rate of 36% under George Bush makes all the difference in the world? Quote: The purpose of the progressive federal income tax is to spread the wealth. That Democrats have supported a progressive income tax for decades is hardly news. It seems this is just another attempt to attack Obama rather than being a serious policy proposal for tax reform and it comes awfully late in the game. If McCain wanted to run on a platform of a flat tax, he certainly has had the opportunity, but until now he didn't bring up the subject.
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A. G.
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:23 am Posts: 13347
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SNL vet Victoria Jackson's looney political ramblings. http://www.victoriajackson.com/
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:03 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm Posts: 4679
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Floydboy wrote: The McCain campaign apparently has a new theme this week: attacking Obama for wanting to "spread the wealth." Has anyone else seen the adds on the site? They seem to be much more consistant than the previous adds. But it is not clear what that really means. They don't mean anything by it. It's just another fear-mongering scare tactic that they've employed against Obama. Now it's the specter of socialism. Forget that McCain's position is almost identical, and that he actually used the words "share the wealth" in 2001. And forget that Alaska is the most socialist state in the country. These people are liars and hypocrites.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:54 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28 ... th-israel/Joe the Plumber endorses McCain and says a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel. What a douche bag.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:41 pm |
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Groucho
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Groucho
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:55 pm |
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Floydboy
ha ha, charade you are
Joined: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:05 pm Posts: 2210
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The poor poor penguin! Something-stan. North Korea-stan. Nothing like good satire.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:44 pm |
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Rev
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32636 Location: the last free city
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Obama's Loss Traced To Neo maul that's my username at another forum.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:02 pm |
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Groucho
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:51 pm |
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Rev
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oh WOW!  i'm embarrassed for him.
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resident
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Danny Elfman is not exactly correct. William Henry "Tippecanoe" Harrison was the first U.S. President to die in office after serving only 32 days. Before the election of Ronald Reagan at age 69, Harrison at the age of 68 was the oldest U.S. President. McCain is 72 and is older than both. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_HarrisonJohn McCain's Father died of heart failure at the age of 70. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_JrMcCain's Grandfather died of a heart attack at the age of 61. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain,_Sr.
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:33 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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"If Mr. Obama wins we could possibly see any or all of the following: a federal constitutional right to welfare; a federal constitutional mandate of affirmative action wherever there are racial disparities, without regard to proof of discriminatory intent; a right for government-financed abortions through the third trimester of pregnancy; the abolition of capital punishment and the mass freeing of criminal defendants; ruinous shareholder suits against corporate officers and directors; and approval of huge punitive damage awards, like those imposed against tobacco companies, against many legitimate businesses such as those selling fattening food," - Steven Calabresi.
This is not some wingnut blog. It's the Wall Street Journal. I've never seen the right quite this unhinged before, and that's really saying something.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:20 am |
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resident
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Steven Calabresi is full of shit. I defy anyone to push all of that through SCOTUS and win.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:29 am |
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Groucho
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
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Beeblebrox wrote: "If Mr. Obama wins we could possibly see any or all of the following: a federal constitutional right to welfare; a federal constitutional mandate of affirmative action wherever there are racial disparities, without regard to proof of discriminatory intent; a right for government-financed abortions through the third trimester of pregnancy; the abolition of capital punishment and the mass freeing of criminal defendants; ruinous shareholder suits against corporate officers and directors; and approval of huge punitive damage awards, like those imposed against tobacco companies, against many legitimate businesses such as those selling fattening food," - Steven Calabresi.
This is not some wingnut blog. It's the Wall Street Journal. I've never seen the right quite this unhinged before, and that's really saying something. You forget that the Wall Street Journal was bought by Rupert Murdock recently, who is intent on turning it into another Fox News right-wing propaganda machine. Its reputation is dying day by day.
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:46 am Posts: 5578 Location: Celebratin' in Chitown
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Beeblebrox wrote: "If Mr. Obama wins we could possibly see any or all of the following: a federal constitutional right to welfare; a federal constitutional mandate of affirmative action wherever there are racial disparities, without regard to proof of discriminatory intent; a right for government-financed abortions through the third trimester of pregnancy; the abolition of capital punishment and the mass freeing of criminal defendants; ruinous shareholder suits against corporate officers and directors; and approval of huge punitive damage awards, like those imposed against tobacco companies, against many legitimate businesses such as those selling fattening food," - Steven Calabresi.
This is not some wingnut blog. It's the Wall Street Journal. I've never seen the right quite this unhinged before, and that's really saying something. hmm. all of the things listed sound quite ok with me.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:16 pm |
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Gulli
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Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13403
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Suing businesses that sell fatty food is ok?
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:08 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Gulli wrote: Suing businesses that sell fatty food is ok? I like the idea of maybe taxing these companies more. Maybe a sin tax like Cigarettes. It might influence people to stop their bad habits, but it would be a good way to get some additional income.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:31 pm |
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Gulli
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: Gulli wrote: Suing businesses that sell fatty food is ok? I like the idea of maybe taxing these companies more. Maybe a sin tax like Cigarettes. It might influence people to stop their bad habits, but it would be a good way to get some additional income. Oh the idea of an extra tax is fine, even if I didn't agree with it Its not fundamentally wrong. However suing them is like a page out of a dystopian hellhole. Still its all conjecture the piece is rather funny fearmongering.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:34 pm |
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A. G.
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This media buy of Obama's tonight seems dumb. Every now and then he does something like this where I wonder who is giving him the bad advice.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:52 pm |
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Raffiki
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Archie Gates wrote: This media buy of Obama's tonight seems dumb. Every now and then he does something like this where I wonder who is giving him the bad advice. I think back when he bought the time, it was probably a better idea. Anyone know what's planned? I have no idea what he's gonna do.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:50 pm |
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kypade
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apparently it's just gonna be like, the same old speech stuff, plans and pleas to vote and etc etc... and then at some point they're gonna go to his speech live in Florida. the one with Bill clinton or whatever tonight? maybe just to end it. i dunno.
I feel like he should have sold commercials within his commercial. That would have been awesome. Unless they're already there, and he only gets 22 minutes of actual talk time.
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Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:56 pm |
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A. G.
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MGKC
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Beeblebrox wrote: "If Mr. Obama wins we could possibly see any or all of the following: a federal constitutional right to welfare; a federal constitutional mandate of affirmative action wherever there are racial disparities, without regard to proof of discriminatory intent; a right for government-financed abortions through the third trimester of pregnancy; the abolition of capital punishment and the mass freeing of criminal defendants; ruinous shareholder suits against corporate officers and directors; and approval of huge punitive damage awards, like those imposed against tobacco companies, against many legitimate businesses such as those selling fattening food," - Steven Calabresi.
This is not some wingnut blog. It's the Wall Street Journal. I've never seen the right quite this unhinged before, and that's really saying something. That seems dumb, does this deal with having "quotas" of races in businesses? And why are abortions government-financed? If it's a personal decision, shouldn't they be personally held responsible for it? The others seem alright.
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