read all my posts and yes you will see I do know the adoption process

So in your opinion, the state foster system and/or orphanages are better at raising children than single people or co-cohabiting couples. Is that right?

Admittedly, I don't know a lot about what happens to unadopted children. It must be pretty awesome.

Beeble when trying to argue with someone lose the fucking sarcasm you piece of shit fucking prick. Like I said in the other thread before it was deleted.

Go Fuck Yourself.

You really are as bad as Joe when it comes to these boards.

We have seen how many problems black or immigrant youths have been causing being raised by single mothers especially recently in Canada, to those Canadian members. I do not think there is no need to be politically correct because look at what is happening and I think there is no reason to shy away from it.

Beeble when trying to argue with someone lose the fucking sarcasm you piece of shit fucking prick. Like I said in the other thread before it was deleted.

Go Fuck Yourself.

You really are as bad as Joe when it comes to these boards.

Beeble believes that anyone who differs from him is automatically a "douchenozzle, bat-shit crazy, wingnut, fundamentalist (the last one only on some occasions)."

He doesn't seem to believe a person to be rational who disagrees with him.

If you want to prevent gays from adopting kids or getting married, you're a douchenozzle, just the same as if you think black people shouldn't get married to each other. That's not about disagreeing with me (although the overlap is evident). That's about bigots being douchenozzles.

If you don't think so, please feel free to make your case. But I'm not about to apologize for calling bigots out for what they are.

As for me, I support gay adoption 100% and think any true "family values" conservative should do so as well.

If you want to prevent gays from adopting kids or getting married, you're a douchenozzle, just the same as if you think black people shouldn't get married to each other. That's not about disagreeing with me (although the overlap is evident). That's about bigots being douchenozzles.

If you don't think so, please feel free to make your case. But I'm not about to apologize for calling bigots out for what they are.

Yes, but you said that I think any RATIONAL people who disagree with me are douchenozzles. So in this thread, who are the rational people that I think are douchenozzles? I know I've said that about the anti-gay bigots. So if the anti-gay bigots are the rational people you're referring to, then what is their rational case against gay marriage?

And I didn't call Jim anything. I asked him for a reason why he thinks unadopted children are better off not being adopted at all than being adopted by single-parents since he voted for a law that prevents single-parents from adopting. I'm requesting a rational argument for that law and he told me to go fuck myself. And I'm the unreasonable one?

Beeble where the fuck did I say that gays shouldn't have the right to adopt kids. I never fucking said that. Learn to fucking read you arrogant prick.

I believe it was proved by psychologists that being raised by same sex parents made some children develop differently??

as for gay marriage, who cares??? let them fithey want to, i dont see the big deal.

The numbers of psychological and social issues in children with only one parent are staggering enough to warrant consideration.

its better that a child have SOMEONE rather than no one.

The Widespread Disapproval of Homosexual Behavior Exposes Child to Harmful Stress.

Homosexual behavior is widely disapproved by the majority of the U.S. population. Aware of the social stigma of living with homosexually-behaving adults, school-aged children in households with a homosexual adult generally suffer stress associated with their shame, embarrassment, fears that others will discover their family member’s homosexuality, fears of peer rejection, actual disruption of valued friendships, suffering name-calling or ostracism, and/or seeing their family member disapproved.

Professor Richard E. Redding, J.D., Ph.D., Associate Director of the Institute of Law, Psychiatry and Public Policy at the University of Virginia School of Law reviewed evidence that shows that “solid social support networks” have been found to contribute to lower rates of foster placement disruption and with the foster child’s improvement in symptoms of developmental disruption. But homosexual parents (and especially homosexual fathers) generally do not receive the same positive level of extended family and community support for their family life as do married men and women and heterosexual single parents. Instead, homosexual men and women typically experience significant stress when extended family members or others in the community remind them of [1] society’s normative view of heterosexual family life, [2] the unnatural status of homosexuality, and [3] the widespread moral disapproval of homosexual behavior, and when [4] other parents decide to not allow their own children to associate with homosexuals or homosexual’s family members, over concern that their child not be influenced by homosexuals to possibly participate in that deviant lifestyle. And occasionally homosexual adults experience even extreme dysfunctional and/or criminal forms of disapproval that causes them to experience psychological trauma, such as discrimination, verbal abuse, physical abuse, or sexual abuse.

In the parenting process or from conversations with peers, nearly all school-aged children become aware of the wide-spread moral disapproval of homosexual behavior by the majority of the U.S. population. Even though morally disapproving of homosexual conduct, most adults will express kindness, acceptance, and even tolerance of men who say they have sex with men, or of women who say they have sex with women. And most parents, teachers, and moral leaders in the community make an ongoing effort to socialize children to be equally kind to those who may participate in behavior considered immoral. However, many of the peers that foster children encounter in their neighborhood and at school are not yet fully socialized to an ideal adult level of social, emotional, and moral maturity, so not surprisingly, these youngsters often use immature ways to express their awareness of the social stigma and wide-spread moral disapproval attached to homosexual behavior.

Therefore, if other children learn that a particular child lives in a household with a homosexually-behaving adult, or with “two mothers,” or “two fathers,” that child is at very high risk of suffering shame, embarrassment, fear that others will discover they live with a homosexual, as well as the keen emotional stress of being cruelly teased, called derogatory names, rejected, or in some extreme cases even beaten up if peers do find out about their family structure. School-aged children in the United States are generally aware that words associated with homosexual behavior such as “gay,” “fag,” “queer,” or “lesbo,” carry strong negative connotations among their peers, in the same way (if not worse) than other hostile put-downs children regrettably use such as “retard,” “nerd,” or “fatso."

Some research:



And it continues for about 80 pages before eventually concluding that it is unfair and irresponsible to expose a child to that stress deliberately.

The Widespread Disapproval of Homosexual Behavior Exposes Child to Harmful Stress.