The oil has mostly dried up. I guess it could survive on the cattle industry, but at the same time I don't see the U.S letting Texas go without a fight.

If they want to go, let them go. But I don't want to hear anymore bullshit from conservatives about their "patriotism." The Texas GOP is basically saying "We love America so much we want to have nothing to do with any of it and want to split it apart because we don't like taxes." That's the definition of anti-American, and all because the last election didn't go their way.

I agree that Perry stuck his foot in his mouth and there is no chance any succession will take place, but isn't dissent, in fact, the highest form of patriotism?

Gee, that wasn't the case when we were dissenting against Bush. Remember? Conservatives said we hated America, wanted the troops to lose the war, and we were traitors. And NOW it's highest form of patriotism when conservatives do it?

And no I don't really think that dissent is unpatriotic. I do, however, think that there's a difference between dissent and wanting to leave America. But I agree that this is largely populist nonsense and that it won't happen. I just wonder why they never did it during Bush's accumulation of executive power, if that is indeed what they're railing against.

That was obviously the reason that I said it. You implied that Perry was unpatriotic. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, I could care less.

If you could care less, then why did you say what he was doing was the highest form of patriotism? Did you ever once say that about the dissent by the anti-war protesters while Bush was in office?

And what I was saying is that the GOP always claims the patriotism mantle, as if they are the exclusive lovers of America, but how patriotic is it to want to leave the country and form your own? Unlike conservatives, who think you can only dissent when a Democrat is in office, I think that criticism of the president is a right and a duty no matter who is in charge.

I said dissent was the highest form of patriotism because we just had 8 years of hearing people espouse that. It was meant as sarcasm. Meaning now that Bush is out of office, the party positions on this issue has switched. I never called Democrats unpatriotic under Bush, I thought them often wrong, but never called them unpatriotic. I also never defended them against the charge. Calling someone unpatriotic does nothing for ones argument.

So long as the power of government is not used against the unpatriotic person, be he a right-wing anarchist or a left-wing communist, I do not have a problem with people being called unpatriotic. It's something we have to tolerate under our system of free speech.

Except that the left aren't calling the Obama dissenters unpatriotic, at least generally speaking. When the shoe was on the other foot, however, the charges of treason came from GOP members of Congress and the White House, all the way down. This is not the case on the left.

So the only switch has been on the right - from believing that dissent is tantamount treason when a Republican is in charge to believing that dissent is itself patriotism when it's a Democrat.

I think talking about Succession is unpatriotic, dissent is different than succession.

I won't go that far (because as with everything, Republicans simply aren't serious about it), but it's hard to see how "I love America, but I want to have nothing to do with any of it and want to form my own country" is in any way consistent.

In any case, like I said, I just don't want to hear any more from conservatives about how patriotic they are when they criticize a Democrat, but that criticizing a Republican is treasonous.

SECESSION. It's SECESSION.

Not succession.

Yeah I know not sure how I misspelled it. I think I was in a hurry and just wasn't paying attention.

yup

Has everyone seen this piece of "objective journalism"?


Can someone explain how Sosan Roesgen still has a job?

Here's her actual quote in response to a protester: "Do you realize that you're eligible for a $400 credit?" As if that's supposed to make the issues go away?

Well, she in turn was interviewed by one of the protesters. Not so tough when she was on the receiving end.

there is a reason why cnn's ratings continue to plummet.

Krem, I'm sorry, can you point me to all the posts you did about Fox news following private people around and harassing them, even to their homes? I'm sure it must be here somewhere...

is that a joke?

I just wish these groups were as passionate while Bush was in the office. That's why it's all so suspect.

msnbc finishes last

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/17/ca ... l-16/16968

msnbc has been last for years.

Because liberals apparently don't tolerate such sloppy biased journalism as much as Fox News's audience does.

Isn't that what you meant?

i wish they were too.

MSNBC has always finished last, but their ratings at night have improved hugely in the last year or so (Olberman and Maddow especially)

Not sure how I would do that. I don't watch or follow Fox News.

Sorry, I'm just getting frustrated by the double standard I see on the blogs and the political boards I am on -- Fox News has done many similar things in the past, but suddenly when CNN does it, it's a big issue.