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Jedi Master Carr
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 Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) That would be a huge move, could signal changes in looking at global warming as international policy.
I know this isn't a major appointment but anybody heard any rumors who might become the new director of the Smithsonian?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) The Dark Knight wrote: Al Gore for Secretary of State? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02478.htmlQuote: If there is a single appointment Barack Obama could make to signal how dramatically things will change in Washington, it would be to name Albert Gore Jr. - former congressman, former senator, former vice president, former presidential candidate and current Custodian of the Planet - as secretary of state. For all the other aspirants to the job, sorry - this is an inconvenient truth.
Can you imagine a bolder statement about a new direction when it comes to global warming and the general care of our abused planet? Gore has won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in this area (and an Oscar, to boot), and his appointment would signal a dramatic shift from the indifference of the Bush era with its cold shoulder to the Kyoto treaty. In one stroke, the United States would emerge as the leader of nations in the effort to save the planet from ourselves - and prepare America for the consequences of a changed world.
The new president's urgent priority has to be the economy. He has no other choice. But given that Obama has no foreign policy background, he needs a secretary of state who can really run the nation's foreign affairs while the attention of the White House is largely directed elsewhere.
Others are capable of handling the job, including of course Sen. John Kerry, currently being mentioned. But Gore has as much experience and something else as well - he was right on the first Gulf War (voted yes) and right on the second (like Obama, he opposed it from the start). How about Hillary Clinton? Quote: CHICAGO, Nov 13 (Reuters) - Sen. Hillary Clinton emerged on Thursday as a candidate to be U.S. secretary of state for Barack Obama, months after he defeated her in an intense contest for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Putting Clinton, wife of former President Bill Clinton, in the position could help heal whatever lingering divisions remain in the Democratic Party after her bitter battle with Obama.
Obama passed over Clinton as his vice presidential running mate in favor of Sen. Joe Biden, a decision that angered her ardent supporters and widened a rift in the party that Obama and Clinton later worked hard to heal.
Her selection as top U.S. diplomat could also mean a more hawkish foreign policy than that advocated by Obama during his presidential campaign. On the campaign trail, Clinton was more reluctant than Obama to commit to a firm timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.
But both Obama and Clinton were adamant about improving the image of the United States abroad and correcting what they considered the "failed policies" of the outgoing Bush administration.
Clinton was described by her office as having flown to Chicago on Thursday on personal business.
Neither her aides nor aides to President-elect Obama would say whether she was interviewed for the job by Obama, who spent a great part of the day behind closed doors in transition meetings at his Chicago office.
"Any speculation about cabinet or other administration appointments is really for President-elect Obama's transition team to address," said Clinton's senior adviser, Philippe Reines.
NBC News and The Washington Post reported that Clinton was under consideration for the top U.S. diplomatic position.
EXPANDED SEARCH?
This would mean Obama was expanding his search beyond other candidates mentioned for the job, such as Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, a Democrat who lost the 2004 presidential election to George W. Bush, and Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Republican who backed Obama over Republican John McCain this year.
CNN reported that on Monday night, while walking into an awards ceremony in New York, Clinton was asked if she would consider taking a post in the Obama administration. It did not sound like she ruled it out.
"I am happy being a senator from New York, I love this state and this city. I am looking at the long list of things I have to catch up on and do. But I want to be a good partner and I want to do everything I can to make sure his agenda is going to be successful," Clinton said.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) How convenient that people have pretty much quit referring to it as Global Warming and instead it's nothing but Climate Change. Yes, we never needed a Global Warming czar anyway. He should stick to the lecture circuit.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) nghtvsn wrote: How convenient that people have pretty much quit referring to it as Global Warming and instead it's nothing but Climate Change. Climate Change includes Global Warming. And "nothing but"? It's an increasingly alarming problem that we're going to have to deal with whether you want to stick your head in the sand about it or not.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) Why would Obama put his biggest enemy in his cabinet?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) The Dark Knight wrote: Gulli wrote: Why would Obama put his biggest enemy in his cabinet? Because she's the most qualified?  How exactly is she the most qualified?
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Richardson is far more qualified though I would prefer Holbrooke ideally. If he gives it to Hillary, Bill Richardson has a right to take it personally.
I don't like Obama sticking up for Lieberman and now Hillary. He should be rewarding his allies not his enemies.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) I much prefer Holbrooke as well, his work in Bosnia on the Dayton Peace Accord was well handled.
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Jedi Master Carr
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) Gulli wrote: Why would Obama put his biggest enemy in his cabinet? Abraham Lincoln did by picking Stanton as his Secretary of War and Seward as Secretary of State. Stanton and Seward both hated Lincoln, but Lincoln did it because they were most qualified.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) Jedi Master Carr wrote: Gulli wrote: Why would Obama put his biggest enemy in his cabinet? Abraham Lincoln did by picking Stanton as his Secretary of War and Seward as Secretary of State. Stanton and Seward both hated Lincoln, but Lincoln did it because they were most qualified. 1860 and 2008 are completely different beasts comparison is moot, the Secretary of State is a job for a diplomat not a political animal like Clinton.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) I think it's all staged, that he offers it and she turns it down, so her supporters are placated. Because given his dislike of drama and the Clintons ability to create endless drama, I can't see that he'd want her onboard.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Dream team! Although i don't think she will take it. Clinton bashers need to give it a rest.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Honestly, I'd rather not have any Clinton anywhere but if she can be Sec. of State at least she'll be out of the Senate. I'd also not want to see her anywhere near the Supreme Court either.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) I'm not fond of Hillary Clinton, but I wouldn't be opposed to her getting a cabinet post. I just don't think she is best suited for secretary of state, and for such a disciplined campaign a leak of this magnitude is unprecedented.
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Jedi Master Carr
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Rahm Emanuel's In) Gulli wrote: Jedi Master Carr wrote: Gulli wrote: Why would Obama put his biggest enemy in his cabinet? Abraham Lincoln did by picking Stanton as his Secretary of War and Seward as Secretary of State. Stanton and Seward both hated Lincoln, but Lincoln did it because they were most qualified. 1860 and 2008 are completely different beasts comparison is moot, the Secretary of State is a job for a diplomat not a political animal like Clinton. I was making the comparisons about political enemies. Lincoln did that to unite the country he thought if he the best minds in room along with different opinions he could find a way to solve the nation's problems. And actually the situation in 1860 was 100times worse. The nation was split in half and was falling apart.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) The Dark Knight wrote: I'm not going to go in circles and debate the merits of Clinton. I'm obviously Pro-Clinton, most here aren't.
No no please do give me the merits of her as the Secretary of State. She would be a pretty good pick in other cabinet area's but not this one.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Gulli wrote: The Dark Knight wrote: I'm not going to go in circles and debate the merits of Clinton. I'm obviously Pro-Clinton, most here aren't.
No no please do give me the merits of her as the Secretary of State. She would be a pretty good pick in other cabinet area's but not this one. why not this one? Funny how most pundits are going gaga over Obama's smart move here. Not only is she more than qualified, it is a great political move on Obama's part.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Sam wrote: Gulli wrote: The Dark Knight wrote: I'm not going to go in circles and debate the merits of Clinton. I'm obviously Pro-Clinton, most here aren't.
No no please do give me the merits of her as the Secretary of State. She would be a pretty good pick in other cabinet area's but not this one. why not this one? Funny how most pundits are going gaga over Obama's smart move here. Not only is she more than qualified, it is a great political move on Obama's part. This job is in essence the first line of projection of American influence in the world stage and Clinton is ill equipped in this regard. She is like Bill in that she will not have any position of her own on matters and will just bow to public opinion. I admire Hillary for her effort's on HealthCare and other issues but in terms of foreign affairs she is complete poison. Bill was lucky in that he had a unipolar world to deal with but that doesn't exist anymore and his and by extension her methods would completely flounder. Hillary is an extension of Bill in my eyes and I'll never forgive him for what he allowed in Rwanda. I want a USA Secretary of State that isn't a cynical calculating individual, maybe I'm a romantic but thats me.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) no Bush still had a unipolar world to deal with.
Due to his actions, he has changed that.
Clintons and others knew it was important to not only make people fearful of America, but proud of it as well around the world. Bush was only concerned about creating the fear and due to his other actions, he has severely weakened the US's status.
I read an article about how America is in the position the Roman Empire was in after the Emperor Commodus.
Before that time, it had one of the longest periods of peace and wealth and had dominance over the world. Due to the action and lack of actions by Emperor Commodus and President Bush, other powers grew and their own power fell. Followed by lackluster leaders and leaders trying thier best to fix there problems, the country and Empire was sent adrift for years and years.
Now, America will recover but never to the position it had before as the sole power of the world. Sad America had it for 20 years (if you count weakening of Soviets), 60 years (WW2) and counting and maybe another 20-25 years more (China will become number 1 by 2050 latest), Romans had it for 400 years straight.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) How do Bush has a Unipolar world to deal with?
Ill bet you never heard of that word until you read it here, please go away I can't take talking about politic's with moron's. I mean at least with Hillary I can debate with Loyal or Sam or mdana or Dolce on an adult level and enjoy it and they can as well, but you.........................excuse me while i lobotomize myself.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Please no Clinton.....everything she would do is to prepare her run for 2012 instead of working for the country.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Maybe I should be calling a ban on you for acting like an idiot.
I may call you or others idiots for having different viewpoints, but I never think you guys are stupid or dumb.
The reason why Bush had a unipolar world is because after 9/11 the world was behind you guys 100%.
The President took that love and sympathy and has turned it into hate and distrust through his actions.
Sure the world is not unipolar anymore, but it was very recently.
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) Mannyisthebest wrote:
The reason why Bush had a unipolar world is because after 9/11 the world was behind you guys 100%.
Are you simple unipolar means there is a single dominant state to deal with that can't be challenged. By your statement the world was behind Indonesia after the Disaster of 2004 So I guess Indonesia should have ruled the world then eh??
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Re: Obama's Cabinet (Talk Turns To Hillary) No, it was because after 9/11, Bush said you were with us or against us. Not simply you were either Army A and Army B. It was either you supported our war on Terror or your on the side of the Terrorists. The US and Bush commanded such power then and looking now. It is shocking.
Sure even without 9/11, China and India would have grown and Russia would have become more powerful.
However those months after 9/11, America was dominant and the President took that great power he had, and wasted it.
No doubt the world has changed and that it enjoyed such dominance for a short time, that in the grand scope of things, it is not of that great of importance.
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