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Mr. R
Cream of the Crop
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:19 pm Posts: 2231
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 Re: The Gibson interview
Archie Gates wrote: GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
That always cracks me up, how she thinks that it gives her special insight. She probably forgot to mention that almost nobody lives in the areas close to Alaska. But sure, clear understanding of chukchis who live there makes her a valuable expert in international politics.
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Groucho
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
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Jim Halpert wrote: Groucho wrote: That is something the democrats never seem to get.
We democrats tend to elect our Presidents like we were hiring someone to run the world's most important corporation. We want intelligence and leadership.
Republicans tend to elect people they want to have a beer with. And in fact, those are the exact words their campaign managers use.
Imagine if you were hiring a CEO for your very important business and you had the choice between a guy who graduated at the top of his Harvard Law class and as his assistant, another lawyer. The next closest candidate was a guy who graduated next to last in his college class and a woman who went to six different colleges before getting a journalism degree from some minor college.
What choice would you make, really? and democrats wonder why they are called the elitist. It just seems that if you look at it objectively and compare the candidates both parties have put up over the past 30 years or so, you could come to that conclusion, although perhaps a better conclusion would be this: Whoever nominates the more likeable guy wins, no matter how more qualified the other guy was. Democrats tend to focus not on likeability but other things, and that's why they lose, whereas Republicans focus on likeability and often win. 1980: Carter (smart but ineffective) v. Reagan (Hollywood actor with charisma) 1984: Mondale (smart but boring) v. Reagan again 1988: Dukakis (very smart but super boring) v. Bush (smart but more likeable than Dukakis. This is one election where the negatives for both were higher than the positives, which doesn't happen too often) 1992: Clinton (smart but actually likeable -- the Democrats finally learn!) v. Bush (smart but unlikeable) 1996: Clinton (see above) v. Dole (also smart but unlikeable) 2000: Bush II (dumb but more likeable) v. Gore (smart; although technically, more people voted for Gore than Bush II so the theory kind of fails here) 2004: Bush II (dumb but more likeable) v. Kerry (smart but not as likeable)
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misutaa
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Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:33 pm Posts: 3841 Location: Hollywood/Berkeley, CA
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Kerry was not smart...
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Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:01 pm |
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resident
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Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:25 pm Posts: 855
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 Re: The Gibson interview
Why is it every time I see Sarah Palin, I think of Margaret "Hot Lips" O'Houlihan?
"Hot Lips" was never one of the people. "Hot Lips" was the elitist and not with The Swamp. She and Frank Burns were always duty-bound in the same way that athletes on steroids are muscle-bound.
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Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:39 pm |
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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For the record, I have no problem with Palin having gone to Iowa. Its a good school, and frankly, politics could use some diversification in its educational background. I have a problem with her politics and her utter lack of comprehension of issues that the pres and the vp regularly deal with. Groucho, I see your list and it triggered this lovely pearl: The problem is this; likeable people are more often listened to, but in reality less often heard.
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Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:27 pm |
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Groucho wrote: Whoever nominates the more likeable guy wins, no matter how more qualified the other guy was. Democrats tend to focus not on likeability but other things, and that's why they lose, whereas Republicans focus on likeability and often win. Uh, I'd have to disagree with this though. This past primary Obama was considered much more 'likeable' than Hillary. Its just that in the general election the Dem candidate seems to be less likeable than the Reps. (Though, as you pointed out, this wasn't the case with Clinton vs. Bush, so it goes both ways). The Dems are suspect to the same voting tendencies in the primaries that everyone is suspect of in the generals.
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Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:38 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40602
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I'd honestly support her death right now
This having a legitimate chance of being president is just too scary. I mean it's not just the possibility of McCain getting in and dieing, she might just win in 4 or 8 years on her on.
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Groucho
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
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The Dark Knight wrote: The different colleges, the tv anchoring, the beauty pageants, the children, I'm just curious why some would not want to call Palin's path to the White House a cinderella story just as they have with Obama. No, hers is much more of a Cinderella story than Obama's, because just like Cinderella, a "fairy godmother" came and granted her wish without her having to do any real work to earn it. Obama, on the other hand, rose through the system through hard work and study, without anyone giving him a free ride.
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Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:03 am |
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resident
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Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:25 pm Posts: 855
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I chose Obama in 2004 exactly after hearing that speech. It was so good that I immediately found myself wondering why the heck were we messing with Kerry?
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Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:45 pm |
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snack
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159
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The Dark Knight wrote: Magnus wrote: Honestly Loyal, your support for Palin is absurd. If Hilary was the nominee and Palin was still the VP choice, you would be tearing her up. But she's not, so you choose to be a sore-loser. You're still bitter over losing, and that's really sad. Who said I'm supporting Palin? The leap from me not understanding how her story is any less cinderalla than Obama's to your above comment is a bit asinine. Obama pushed himself to an education, excelling in the worlds #1 ranked PoliSci department, then to Harvard, becoming editor of a little something called the Harvard Law Review. He then turned down lucrative careers offered by Wallstreet, major law firms, and the typical path of a Harvard Law Review editor and become a clerk to the Supreme Court as a segway to becoming a career politician. He instead put himself into a much less glamorous, infinitely less "Rock Star" position that's SOLE PURPOSE was working to help a community. He rose through local politics into state senate and then the national senate. Yes, his leaps were quick, but it's not like he appeared overnight from Hockey Mom to Presidential Candidate.
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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The Dark Knight wrote: The leap from me not understanding how her story is any less cinderalla than Obama's to your above comment is a bit asinine.
True. They both rose quickly to national political prominence from being virtual unknowns, and in fact rose to national prominence in part due to the fact that they were virtual unknowns. One just has shit politics, zero familiarity with global issues, and a really, really, really freaky world view. Remember, global warming is just God hugging us a little closer.  Thank-you Tina Fey!
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Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:48 pm |
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Mannyisthebest
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm Posts: 8642 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Quote: He rose through local politics into state senate and then the national senate. Yes, his leaps were quick, but it's not like he appeared overnight from Hockey Mom to Presidential Candidate. more like he played some the hardest politics ever to become a state senator and getting the Senate nomination because the state Senate leader liked Obama...
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El Maskado
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:17 pm Posts: 21572
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 Re: The Gibson interview
Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska. I can't for the life of me figure out why they're pushing this proximity bullshit. It's just SOOO stupid. She must have been watching Red Dawn alot back in her youth
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Snrub
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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 Re: The Gibson interview
The Dark Knight wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska. I can't for the life of me figure out why they're pushing this proximity bullshit. It's just SOOO stupid. It's not much different than saying Obama has some secret insight into diversity because of his absent Kenyan dad and a mum that found those type of men attractive. It kinda is. Actually, no. Scratch that. It absolutely is.
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Groucho
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Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
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The Dark Knight wrote: Krem wrote: Archie Gates wrote: GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska. I can't for the life of me figure out why they're pushing this proximity bullshit. It's just SOOO stupid. It's not much different than saying Obama has some secret insight into diversity because of his absent Kenyan dad and a mum that found those type of men attractive. Except, of course, Obama has never said that, but you guys don't care much about facts, do you?
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Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:26 pm |
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Snrub
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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The Dark Knight wrote: Both sides are twisting happenstance and creating false narratives. It's irritating all around. But I guess it's okay for the Obamanation.  The difference being that one side is twisting happenstance and creating false narratives out of thin air, while the other has at least lived with the repercussions of his circumstances, whether he's made a point of claiming some "secret insight" or not. When did he, in fact? More to the point, when did you become so blindly right wing, loyal?
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Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:34 pm |
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torrino
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:52 pm Posts: 16020
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I thought loyal liked Obama...
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Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:39 pm |
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Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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The Dark Knight wrote: Snrub wrote: More to the point, when did you become so blindly right wing, loyal? Probably when Palin challenged Obama to a game of basketball. I have no idea if that's even true or not. As a guy sadly subjected to British news outlets, I'm not really privy to the fluff parts of Presidential hopeful's campaigns. That said, I do think that we could avoid a lot of pointless red-tape by settling the presidential race with a simple basketball game. Hell, let's just elect Teen Wolf and be done with it.
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FILMO
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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uhmmmm.loyal....do you still want to vote for McCain....even with Palin as VP?
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dolcevita
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:24 pm Posts: 16061 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Snrub wrote: The Dark Knight wrote: Probably when Palin challenged Obama to a game of basketball. I have no idea if that's even true or not. As a guy sadly subjected to British news outlets, I'm not really privy to the fluff parts of Presidential hopeful's campaigns. So how have you even heard about Palin at all?
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Raffiki
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Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:14 am Posts: 9966
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dolcevita wrote: Snrub wrote: The Dark Knight wrote: Probably when Palin challenged Obama to a game of basketball. I have no idea if that's even true or not. As a guy sadly subjected to British news outlets, I'm not really privy to the fluff parts of Presidential hopeful's campaigns. So how have you even heard about Palin at all? 
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Beeblebrox
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Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:40 pm Posts: 4679
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snack wrote: He instead put himself into a much less glamorous, infinitely less "Rock Star" position that's SOLE PURPOSE was working to help a community. Republicans hate community organizers now. Because Obama was one. They are to be mocked and ridiculed.
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Mannyisthebest
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm Posts: 8642 Location: Toronto, Canada
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so are small town mayors and anyone from Alaska.
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Groucho
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Beeblebrox wrote: snack wrote: He instead put himself into a much less glamorous, infinitely less "Rock Star" position that's SOLE PURPOSE was working to help a community. Republicans hate community organizers now. Because Obama was one. They are to be mocked and ridiculed. Remember George Bush Sr. talking about how great America was because of community organizers? He called them the "thousand points of light." Well, true Republicans spit on these people, apparently. Just like they did to Vietnam veterans who got purple hearts. It amazes me that people seriously can defend these guys.
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