The DNC is shaping up to be as big a disaster than the RNC.
Why? The protesters?
Partly, but more so that I didn't expect there to be this much dis-unity. With Trump I can understand but the DNC seems very divided here.
I see hope for systematic change in this "dis-unity".
Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:35 pm
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Re: Who Will Be President?
The animosity largely died down after Michelle's speech, and especially during Sander's speech.
The protesters/Sanders supporters got their deserved big moment tonight, and there was practically unanimous applause each time Sanders, himself, mentioned supporting Clinton, even with the "I am proud to stand with her" and "Hillary must be president" lines.
It was a little rough in the beginning, but the first day of the convention ended very strong and largely united. The vast majority of remaining holdouts are going to understand the importance of keeping Trump out of the White House, and Sanders made a hell of a case tonight explaining the consequences of a Trump presidency.
The DNC so far is full of substance, while the RNC was mostly anger and childish discourse.
“Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:41 pm
i.hope
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Re: Who Will Be President?
Maybe we were watching different channels. I saw muted response from people holding Bernie/He's with Us signs whenever Clinton was mentioned. Many Sanders supporters on social media expressed disappointment to Sanders speaking fondly of Clinton's past record.
This is not a bad thing. It is not about Sanders. No one is Sanders' sheep. People are holding politicians to account, which is a very good thing.
Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:13 am
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Re: Who Will Be President?
It's not nearly as divided as the GOP wished it were.
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The DNC is already miles ahead of the RNC in terms of organization and the overall message it is sending out. For example, the story all over the news right now after day one is that Michelle Obama was electrifying and rocked it with her emotional speech.
The story after RNC's day one was plagiarism, and as a result how disorganized and unprofessional the Trump campaign is, etc.
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Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:15 am
i.hope
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Re: Who Will Be President?
The DNC looks good on the outside, but rotten on the inside. While I don't put much stock in these propaganda shows the Reps and Dems put out, I still hope the news media have some integrity and show all sides of the picture. Please do not blur out people doing a thumbs-down gesture or abruptly cut away from the protest outside to show celebrity performance.
Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.
There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000.
Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:31 am
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Re: Who Will Be President?
Michelle KILLED IT. I'm in love with her. Makes me wish I could vote for her for President, but...
Cory Booker was fantastic as well. And I thought Bernie did a great job too. Elizabeth Warren had the unenviable task of following Michelle, but her status as a Trump attack dog was on point as usual.
Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:08 am
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Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.
There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000.
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Re: Who Will Be President?
Trump is enjoying a typical post-convention bump, and Hillary will be enjoying hers after this week. Will need to see where the polls are at in a couple of weeks to get a clearer sense of the race. If this is Trump's high point, Hillary is still fine.
Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:53 am
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Re: Who Will Be President?
xiayun wrote:
Trump is enjoying a typical post-convention bump, and Hillary will be enjoying hers after this week. Will need to see where the polls are at in a couple of weeks to get a clearer sense of the race. If this is Trump's high point, Hillary is still fine.
Not even sure if this is true. Looking at the polls and the demographic breakdowns, they seem to be over sampling Trump supporters to get a good headline. If Clinton is way ahead with Latinos like 75-25, then the % of Latinos of the total electorate is lower than the 2008 election. If the lead is something less believable like 60-40, then the % is more in line with the expected one for this election. Another thing I noticed was a VA poll that had a breakdown by cities. The rural and suburban areas that are Republican leaning were about 5% higher than a typical election, even a non-Presidential one, while the Democratic leaning ones were too low.
I expect to have 2-3 more panic attacks by November, but this is just convention noise at the moment. Your overall point is solid.
Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.
There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000.
It should read. "There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000, after both parties have held their convention." Good to see the media doing their job to mislead the public and help Trump.
The DNC looks good on the outside, but rotten on the inside. While I don't put much stock in these propaganda shows the Reps and Dems put out, I still hope the news media have some integrity and show all sides of the picture. Please do not blur out people doing a thumbs-down gesture or abruptly cut away from the protest outside to show celebrity performance.
i.hope wrote:
The DNC looks good on the outside, but rotten on the inside. While I don't put much stock in these propaganda shows the Reps and Dems put out, I still hope the news media have some integrity and show all sides of the picture. Please do not blur out people doing a thumbs-down gesture or abruptly cut away from the protest outside to show celebrity performance.
This is a warped perception of reality. If anything they amplify and over emphasize a story. If a cop kills a black person, it becomes national news. If a white person is killed by a cop, it is rarely mentioned. More whites are killed by cops, but I wonder how many people know that fact. It is true Blacks are killed at a higher percentage than other demo groups, but watching cable news would lead to an inflated idea of that magnitude. In addition, mass shootings like the cop shooting in Dallas or the Orlando massacre are hyped if they tie into a narrative the media wants to push, but there have been tons of more generic shootings that might get reported in an 8 hr. new cycle and then suddenly dropped. So the viewer gets an unrealistic sense that cop killers and terrorists are doing most of the killing in America. Which leads to a sense of helplessness. Guess which candidate that favors?
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Watching the different news channels you could tell the protest chants were magnified by certain networks.
A quick response to this observation from our ABC pal Rick Klein.
The ability and propensity for both political parties to tear themselves up at their national conventions is a remarkable thing.
I get what he’s saying, but I think it’s also worth remembering that conventions are, by definition, a collection of the most opinionated members of a party. It’s a strange task for a convention: gather the loudest voices and then try to get them all to yell in unison.
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This afternoon, as the convention was being gaveled into session, I wandered onto the floor of the Wells Fargo Center to get a sense of what kind of start the convention would get off to. It was … a rocky one! Some vocal Sanders supporters booed mentions of Hillary Clinton, and there were competing “Hill-a-ry!” and “Ber-nie!” chants throughout.
Many of the most vocal Sanders supporters were from the California delegation, so I wandered over. And I was not alone. Very quickly, the pro-Sanders Californians were surrounded by cameras eager to capture their every jeer. Standing inside of the California delegation, the boos were overwhelming.
But then I wandered over to other parts of the arena — parts full of enthusiastic Clinton supporters, at a remove that made the California delegation seem like a notable sideshow, not an existential threat.
The truth, of course, is somewhere in the middle. It was a nice reminder that perspective really matters. And that’s my advice to you as you navigate reports from this week: Try to keep in mind the larger context. There are different factions within the big hall; there are different networks with different priorities; there are different people tweeting different takes on the exact same moment; there are camera angles and graphics and directional mics — all of which can skew your perspective. Trust no one. Or everyone. Or just yourself
The bottom line for me is that I think the country needs moderate people in office that are willing to work together to solve our problems. That requires listening to people you might not agree with and working with them. That is not Trump.
With Clinton's pick for VP who is very moderate, and her willingness to negotiate further left than she might want to in order to throw Sanders a bone, I believe she is the right candidate of the choices we have. She has shown an ability to work with people, and I think that's the most important advantage she has over Trump.
I hope people will eventually see this, and in time for the election.
Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:16 pm
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Re: Who Will Be President?
SolC9 wrote:
The bottom line for me is that I think the country needs moderate people in office that are willing to work together to solve our problems. That requires listening to people you might not agree with and working with them. That is not Trump.
With Clinton's pick for VP who is very moderate, and her willingness to negotiate further left than she might want to in order to throw Sanders a bone, I believe she is the right candidate of the choices we have. She has shown an ability to work with people, and I think that's the most important advantage she has over Trump.
I hope people will eventually see this, and in time for the election.
Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:14 pm
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Re: Who Will Be President?
Libs wrote:
SolC9 wrote:
The bottom line for me is that I think the country needs moderate people in office that are willing to work together to solve our problems. That requires listening to people you might not agree with and working with them. That is not Trump.
With Clinton's pick for VP who is very moderate, and her willingness to negotiate further left than she might want to in order to throw Sanders a bone, I believe she is the right candidate of the choices we have. She has shown an ability to work with people, and I think that's the most important advantage she has over Trump.
I hope people will eventually see this, and in time for the election.
I wish we could like posts. Good job SolC9. Glad to see her VP pick is showing her to be the person who can work with anyone. She is the only adult of our choices.
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Re: Who Will Be President?
History will be great to the Obamas. Michelle will always be extremely popular, even Trump cannot say anything and Melania Trump openly admitted to looking up to her. Republicans will begrudgingly admit that Obama was far more successful economically than Bush while still making huge progress on numerous social issues.
As an enormous Obama fan in 2008, all I would like to say as his term comes to end is WELL DONE, along with "I will miss you and all of your families obvious decency ".
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Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:50 pm
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Re: Who Will Be President?
Bill killed it.
Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:57 pm
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Re: Who Will Be President?
Libs wrote:
Bill killed it.
Did his use of girl bother you? I was reading Marcy Wheeler's Twitter feed and was mortified reading her description, she couldn't get over it. I think he only used it twice and referred to himself as a boy, so I didn't understand the horror.
I must be a sexist. I thought the speech was fantastic. No matter how old we get, we see our loved one's as they were when we first met. The first time to meet the parents and her hometown, the transition to her work all across the country. Her humility and determination was always a thread through the personal, professional, and political journey. The contrast between the many relationships she has built and the work she has done for the others and the lack of any that shown at the RNC last week. The Old dog still has it.
shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element
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Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:42 am
xiayun
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Re: Who Will Be President?
Just look at the lineups for each day:
Day 1: Michelle, Bernie, Warren Day 2: Bill Clinton, Meryl Streep Day 3: Obama, Biden
And then you have Paul Simon singing Bridge Over Troubled Water. This is just at a complete different level comparing to last week in term of eloquence, story-telling, and real experience.
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