No Civil Unions were created to "appease" the gay rights movement.

Civil unions is the "colored water fountain" of the whole debacle.

There's your answer Benny.

What this WHOLE issue comes down to is separate but equal.

Religion doesn't have a thing to do with marriage in the State of California:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displ ... le=420-426



The term "Husband and Wife" is gender-neutral and has been used (awkwardly) in California same-sex marriage ceremonies. I might consider replacing the phrase with "I now pronounce you A Devoted Couple in Mutual Care, Respect and Affection, duly Married" instead of clinging to antiquated definitions of "husband and wife" which implies an unequal dominant and a submissive role in the relationship.

Hmm...I wonder if the Prop 8 supporters are going to war against the Indians?
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displ ... 0&file=295

could we refrain from using G D. appreciate it.

The whole "I'm not against gays, I just don't want my children to be taught about gay marriage in schools" argument is probably what bothers me the most. Not only is it irrelevant to Prop 8, it's such a selfishly NIMBY attitude. So what if kids learn about marriage equality in schools? Is it really that bad? Wouldn't you want your children to learn about the world around them?

On a side note, I wonder how many of the Prop 8 supporters also believe that creationism/theology should be taught in science class. If they're against the state forcing these kinds of things on people, they SHOULD be against it.

There is no end to the hypocrisy and lies from these assholes. Starting with "I'm not against gays."

Some good news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/nyreg ... ref=slogin

Just remember guys, in less than four hours I'll know if I have a spare bedroom in a nice, brand new gut renovated apartment to offer anyone who loves the North East as much as I do.

What is "G D"?

gee golly gosh darn

See, that's the only thing I could think of, but I couldnt find it anywhere on any of the last three pages.

unless it was edited out, i guess.

personally, i'd appreciate it if we refrained from refraining from using anything. :O

only it is god and then the swear word that starts with a D.

not a big fan of it.

Well I'm not a fan of your Rosie O'Donnell picture, but it still remains.

Yeah Jim, that pic is the main reason why I chose to block all signatures.

my signature is fantastic. Don't lie

I just adblocked the image (but that was like, four years ago)

I don't like it when people say "God bless you" and "May Jesus be with you" (and yes, both of those happen on a daily basis) but somehow I soldier on and don't try to censor everyone around me to get my way.

Well, I won't say God damn if you remove your Rosie picture. How's that?

See. You call it "marriage equality" but they Believe it's simply unnatural. It's against nature. It's against what they want taught to their kids. They don't need to have children (under 12) taught about gay marriage. What is the point of introducing kids to that in public schools other than to teach them early that it's "normal" when it obviously isn't for a clear majority of the world. I'm just saying...I am personally getting tired of the gay marriage issue and almost couldn't care less about it but that's doesn't mean I'm not against it nor that I wouldn't vote against. People in This country just need to realize it's eventually going to be legal everywhere (most likely) so bitching and whining about it when it was democratically voted down by the voters seems pretty ridiculous to me.

You're not the government. If you chose to say something, it would be you exercising free speech, not censoring.

Capital "G" for the diety?

You can call it whatever you want, just saying that if it were legal, kids are going to find out about it one way or the other. I don't see why people would get so uptight about it being mentioned in school, which would be almost impossible to avoid if some of the kids had same-sex parents. People need to realize that they can't control everything that goes on around them. It's really not a big deal.

But like I said, in terms of the actual curriculum, it's a non-issue for this prop. Kids don't learn about marriage in CA until the 8th grade, and it's taught in an age-specific manner. None of that would have changed if prop 8 had not passed. Given how close the vote was, it's unfortunate that so many people were mislead. If the prop had failed, the gay marriage debate that you're tired of would have been over in CA and we all could have gone on with our lives.

Well THEY can go fuck themselves. They're bigots and douche bags. No one in public schools "teaches" anyone about marriage. All of these exact same dumbass arguments were made about interracial marriage. "It's not natural." "It's not normal." "What about the kids." Fuck that and fuck them with a pogo stick.



Yes, how dare people "bitch and moan" about being openly discriminated against by a bunch of zealous religious shitheads. Why couldn't Rosa Parks just move to the back of the bus like a good little negro and not rock the boat. Didn't she know that people would come around eventually? Seems pretty ridiculous to me.