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Eagle
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 Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women It doesn't, just felt it was pertinent to state my position. I'm used to talking to Beeble in this forum, and if you don't explicitly state your opinions, he will assume them for you. I think the big problem here stems from your comment here: Krem wrote: by the way, that's NOT what the law says; the law says that individual abortion forms will be posted on a public website The article says that the physician is required to collect and disclose the information to the government. The government "will then post the collected data on a public website." I still don't believe that they are posting individual forms, just the collected data as a whole. _________________
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Krem
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Well, I actually took the time to read it, so here goes: Section 5, paragraph D:  By the way, in the text of the law the actual form is much longer than posted above; it has 37 questions.
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Krem
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women And once again, this is NOT the only issue with this law. Like I said many times before, the other major issues are the fact that there is no logical reason for the state government to collect this data and that this "survey" is a thinly veiled attempt to intimidate women out of having abortions.
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Eagle
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Well, if that's the case then I suppose the criticism is warranted. The information won't impact the vast majority of people, but anominimity can't really be assumed just because a name is withheld as the information certainly could be enough to identify someone or at least reduce the matching population to an insignificant amount.
I have no problem with data mining as I always feel the more data and statistics the better, but if the game here is intimidation then it's a problem. I obviously don't really know enough about the law to form a valid opinion to that end.
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Why do they want data on race?
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Dr. Lecter wrote: Why do they want data on race? Why not? Maybe there's a unusually high % of black or white or native americans etc having abortions. It just helps provide a more detailed analysis of what is taking place.
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Chippy
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women This topic has so many wrong opinions...
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Krem
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Dr. Lecter wrote: Why do they want data? Fixed that for you.
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Krem
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women nghtvsn wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Why do they want data on race? Why not? Maybe there's a unusually high % of black or white or native americans etc having abortions. It just helps provide a more detailed analysis of what is taking place. Again with this silly reasoning. This data is already available, through other means. All you have to do is look: http://www.statehealthfacts.org/profile ... 111&rgn=38There is absolutely no reason for the state to get involved here.
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Krem
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Chip Munkington wrote: This topic has so many wrong opinions... So nice of you to get involved.
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Krem wrote: dolcevita wrote: And what are you guys talking about 'she'. Your penises are just as much behind each pregnancy. When you're willing to start reporting every time you ejaculate, what you're looking at while you ejaculate (blonds or brunettes, young or old), if its with your formal partner or someone you're cheating with (because you would really report every time you slept around with someone other than your partner, just so 'the state' can identify if there is 'a problem' with too many supposedly monogamous men sleeping around), what your age, race, education level, and how many times a day/week you jerk off, how often you have had unprotected sex in the past, how often you followed up after having unprotected sex and actually paid attention to what is happening to the other woman you shot off into a month later, and if you have erectile dysfunction, than we'll talk.
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Shack
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Krem hit the right point... the real damage is not whether the information will be leaked out, its that entering it will play a part in scaring women off from abortions. Its not just that it aides pro lifers... The govt should have no impact or play in a decision as big and personal as abortion
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Shack wrote: Krem hit the right point... the real damage is not whether the information will be leaked out, its that entering it will play a part in scaring women off from abortions. Its not just that it aides pro lifers... The govt should have no impact or play in a decision as big and personal as abortion While I agree with Krem fully on this. I believe Krem issue here is the collection and posting of data by the state ...Something I agree with him on whole heartedly. IIRC Krem is Pro Life but he also doesn't seem to like the idea of forcing abortions to stop through intimidation. I could be wrong but if so it shows a remarkable amount of integrity to hold that position.
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Chippy
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Re: Oklahoma making a mandatory, public online registry of women Krem wrote: Chip Munkington wrote: This topic has so many wrong opinions... So nice of you to get involved. That was my second post in this far too long thread. _________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Krem
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