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 Explain to me your reasoning 
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Post Re: Explain to me your reasoning
To libs: I actually know a girl my age (19) who has already had 3 abortions... so yea...but I don't think there should be a cap...But won't multiple abortions affect the woman? I would think so.


Anyway, my main point is that just because abortion is legalized, that doesn't mean every woman is going to go and have an abortion, it isn't exactly a fun activity, but they should be allowed that choice.


To MgCasey: About your friends "not existing". The sad truth is that you would have never known them and would have found other people....it really doesn't mean much because you cannot miss something that never existed.

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Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:31 pm
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Its about women's control over their own bodies. When they do not have that, they will become second-rate citizens. Historically, people who could not make decisions for themselves over the value and treatment of their own selves were enslaved. If I got to tell you what to do with your body, and your future, you'd flip. If you look closely, even a majority of female Republican senators, Reps. Governors of States (Palin excluded), etc., agree.

Theorize it all you want; we have to live it. I like getting to decide about my uterus and my future for myself, thank-you very much.


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Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:49 am
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The fact this is a campaign issue annoys me. I'm not a fan of abortion but people are entitled to have a choice. Leave this shit out of a campaign.

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Post Re: Explain to me your reasoning
At the end of the day, minus the act...

1. Abortions will happen, regardless of what law is passed.

2. The public has no appetite, regardless of the law, to see young women hauled off to jail for abortion related crimes.

3. The cat is out of the bag. This is a ruling that can't be undone in the minds of most of the public, and never will be (for long at least).

By making them safe you are actually saving lives and providing an environment where young women can get help (that extends beyond abortion).

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I guess it would depend on your definition of where life begins too. I'm not too sure on that either. But my main confusion is how people can be for abortion just because of a woman's circumstances, like she just doesn't want it. It is taking the chance away for a life for someone just because it's not convenient for the mother .... right??? Just wanting to hear some other viewpoints.

The bottom line is there is no scientific pinpoint of when someone goes from being a mass of cells to an independent living organism. What is special about a egg and a sperm five minutes after they have joined? Is that a baby? I certainly wouldn't think of it. Is every un-fertilized egg a sin because it has gone unseeded? Sure that's ridiculous, but is that not "a chance at life" being flushed down the toilet?

I'm a "fan" of the trimester schedule... there should be reasonable limitations on abortions in the later trimester of pregnancy... one should reasonably have made up the decision before then, plus we're getting into the grey area where the fetus could conceivably live outside the host... which to me is kind of when the baby becomes a separate entity.

Up until then we assume and hope that the mother takes care of it in (what I consider) an appropriate time period (2-3 months after is not unreasonable depending on the circumstances of discovery).

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I know a lot of people who were "surprise babies" to their parents, and in a culture where abortions are culturally accepted as a necessary evil, they might have not existed.

Abortion is culturally accepted where I live people still have "surprise babies". You make the pro-lifer mistake of assuming that because people are pro-choice that that's how people would automatically choose to deal with this "problem". Which isn't the case at all.

There will always be a stigma to abortion, it will always (well mostly) be used as a last case scenario and carry a heavy cost to the mother and father.

That will not change.


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Nobody alive has a right to say what somebody else can and cannot do in this reguard, period. I personally dont like abortion, but its not my decision.

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Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:53 am
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Post Re: Explain to me your reasoning
It is true that one cannot forcefully make someone act in a certain way, regard to this issue.

However, everyone has the right to have an opinion on it.

The problem today, is saying your against some types of abortion, know means your against Women.

What?

I am against irresponsible behaviour... :funny:

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Post Re: Explain to me your reasoning
I don't mind some restrictions on abortions, but wouldn't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.


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