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Caius
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 Re: Obama Picks Biden for VP
Beeblebrox wrote: Anita Hussein Briem wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Heh. Deployed, eh? That makes it sound so heroic... One need not be shot at to be "heroic". This guy is an Attorney General that willingly gives up his livelihood for the duration of his deployment. Yeah, news flash to the right, not every soldier in Iraq is on the front lines dodging bullets. The "support the troops" talk on the right is a pandering smoke screen. You see the real contempt they have when push comes to shove. Look what they did to John Kerry, or any other soldier that doesn't follow in lock step with them.  I would hardly place Bradley on the right (he's probably left of you) and what the hell is that creature in the picture and why did you post it?
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Beeblebrox
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KidRock69x wrote: I would hardly place Bradley on the right (he's probably left of you) I've seen that quote he posted on several right-wing blogs in response to the fact that Biden's son is being deployed next year. The comments are largely unflattering as you might imagine. Quote: what the hell is that creature in the picture and why did you post it? That is a delegate at the Republican National Convention in 2004, wearing a purple heart bandaid that was handed out at the convention to make fun of purple heart recipients who were only mildly wounded while in service (hence the bandaid). Here's a story about it: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/ ... le.hearts/And here are more photos: 
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Bradley Witherberry
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KidRock69x wrote: I would hardly place Bradley on the right (he's probably left of you)... Heh. At least someone's paying attention...  Maybe this campaign slogan's suits the beeb a bit better: Quote: Obama/Biden '08: Two Houses, Two Spouses.
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:37 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Maybe this campaign slogan's suits the beeb a bit better: Quote: Obama/Biden '08: Two Houses, Two Spouses. 
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Anita Hussein Briem
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KidRock69x wrote: I would hardly place Bradley on the right (he's probably left of you) True enough, though I must be so desensitized by Bradley's traumatic taste in movies that such observations fail to come naturally. 
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Beeblebrox
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Btw, can someone please tell me if Obama's choice means he is "arrogant" or "lacks confidence"? The media can't seem to make up its mind.
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Caius
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I think it shows that Obama is arrogant because Biden has better posture than McCain and so does Obama and posture can be a sign of arrogance. You know, people that strut around are arrogant and stuff.
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redfirebird2008
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Biden will be an excellent attack dog. Plus, he basically locks up Pennsylvania for Obama. He is considered "the third Senator" of Pennsylvania by many people there because he is from there. He will help Obama with blue collar whites in the midwest. Keep him parked there, campaigning constantly throughout Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. and he will help Obama a lot.
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Corpse
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First national poll taken post the Biden VP announcement. Quote: DENVER, Colorado (CNN)  It’s a dead heat in the race for the White House. The first national poll conducted entirely after Barack Obama publicly named Joe Biden as his running mate suggests that battle for the presidency between the Illinois senator and Republican rival John McCain is all tied up.
In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Sunday night, 47 percent of those questioned are backing Obama with an equal amount supporting the Arizona senator.
“This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month,†says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
“Even last week, just before his choice of Joe Biden as his running mate became known, most polls tended to show Obama with a single-digit advantage over McCain,†adds Holland.
So what’s the difference now?
It may be supporters of Hillary Clinton, who still would prefer the Senator from New York as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee.
Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters, registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee, are now backing Obama. That’s down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they’ll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.
“The number of Clinton Democrats who say they would vote for McCain has gone up 11 points since June, enough to account for most although not all of the support McCain has gained in that time,†says Holland.
Clinton and Obama battled throughout the primary season, with Clinton winning more than 40 percent of the delegates. She suspended her bid for the White House and backed Obama in early June, after the end of the primary season.
A majority of registered voters, 54 percent, think Obama’s choice of Delaware Senator Joe Biden as his running mate is an excellent or good decision. That number jumps to 73 percent when just asked of registered Democrats. But it drops to 59 percent when narrowed to Clinton supporters.
“It's not that there's anything wrong with the choice of Joe Biden. A majority of those polled rate the Biden selection as excellent or pretty good. Voters think he is qualified to be president, and with the exception of Al Gore in 1992, the public ranks Biden as the most qualified running mate in recent times," says Holland.
"A lot of Americans don't know who he is, but his favorable rating is 13 points higher than his unfavorables But Biden is not Hillary Clinton, and it's possible that is enough to have moved some of her supporters away from the Democratic ticket, at least temporarily."
Among all Democrats, only 38 percent say Obama should have selected Clinton as his running mate.
Will Biden’s naming as Obama’s running mate make a difference? Maybe not. Seventy-four percent of all voters questioned in the survey say it won’t have any effect on their vote for president.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted on Saturday and Sunday, with 1,023 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for all voters. For registered Democrats, it is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points, and for Democrats who still support Clinton for the party's nomination, it is plus or minus 7.5 percentage points.
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Corpse wrote: First national poll taken post the Biden VP announcement. Quote:
Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters, registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee, are now backing Obama. That’s down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they’ll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.
bad bad bad bad bad. Really, would it have been that hard for him to suck it up and pick her? What a stupid risk to take.
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Corpse
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She will be releasing her delegates WED (so they can vote for whoever they want at the convention, they will no longer be pledged), and she is urging all of them to vote Obama like she will be doing. So along with the role call vote that will take place, the time given to her and Bill at the convention (for those 27% (potentially 5M votes/ers), up from 16% last month, that now say they'll vote McCain after Obama picked Biden, alot rests on those speeches I feel). Though I think it's clear we cannot expect them to vote along party lines come November, if Hillary doesn't urge them (like she is now doing) to vote Obama, and if the Obama campaign doesn't try to win them over, those Clinton supporters could really make a deference in a swing state.
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Caius
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When push comes to shove in November and Democrats realize that they don't want "4 more years of Bush," they will end up voting Obama and if they don't then they are utter morons because Hillary and Obama disagreed on about 1% of the issues. I'm guessing that 90% of Hillary's backers in the primary season end up backing Obama.
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redfirebird2008
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Here's a great Joe Biden quote:
"I was in the Oval Office the other day, and the President asked me what I would do about resignations. I said, 'Look, Mr. President, would I keep Rumsfeld? Absolutely not.' And I turned to Vice President Cheney, who was there, and I said, 'Mr. Vice President, I wouldn't keep you if it weren't constitutionally required.'
I turned back to the President and said, 'Mr. President, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are bright guys, really patriotic, but they've been dead wrong on every major piece of advice they've given you. That's why I'd get rid of them, Mr. President---not just Abu Ghraib.' They said nothing. Just sat there like big old bullfrogs on a log and looked at me."
--- Rolling Stone interview, June 2004
If people want real straight talk, Joe is an example of a guy who actually provides it. McCain's entire image is built on the fact that the national media never calls him out on flip-flopping constantly and pandering on certain issues.
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Caius
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I think you can have straight talk without being an asshole, which Biden certainly seemed in that interview. However, I still kinda like the guy.
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Jim Halpert
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redfirebird2008 wrote: Here's a great Joe Biden quote:
"I was in the Oval Office the other day, and the President asked me what I would do about resignations. I said, 'Look, Mr. President, would I keep Rumsfeld? Absolutely not.' And I turned to Vice President Cheney, who was there, and I said, 'Mr. Vice President, I wouldn't keep you if it weren't constitutionally required.'
I turned back to the President and said, 'Mr. President, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are bright guys, really patriotic, but they've been dead wrong on every major piece of advice they've given you. That's why I'd get rid of them, Mr. President---not just Abu Ghraib.' They said nothing. Just sat there like big old bullfrogs on a log and looked at me."
--- Rolling Stone interview, June 2004
If people want real straight talk, Joe is an example of a guy who actually provides it. McCain's entire image is built on the fact that the national media never calls him out on flip-flopping constantly and pandering on certain issues. i've heard reports that that conversation never actually happened.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Jim Halpert wrote: i've heard reports that that conversation never actually happened. I agree, it sounds too anecdotal.
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Jim Halpert wrote: i've heard reports that that conversation never actually happened.
Yeah, but from whom? I mean, I wouldn't trust Bush, Cheney or Rumsfield to tell the truth about this, since they hardly tell the truth about more serious matters.
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Beeblebrox
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Groucho wrote: Jim Halpert wrote: i've heard reports that that conversation never actually happened.
Yeah, but from whom? I mean, I wouldn't trust Bush, Cheney or Rumsfield to tell the truth about this, since they hardly tell the truth about more serious matters. And it sounds like the kind of thing Biden has been saying for the past few years in public. Why would it be any different behind closed doors?
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KidRock69x wrote: When push comes to shove in November and Democrats realize that they don't want "4 more years of Bush," they will end up voting Obama and if they don't then they are utter morons because Hillary and Obama disagreed on about 1% of the issues. I'm guessing that 90% of Hillary's backers in the primary season end up backing Obama. Except among the Appalachian mutants, I agree.
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Corpse
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KidRock69x wrote: When push comes to shove in November and Democrats realize that they don't want "4 more years of Bush," they will end up voting Obama and if they don't then they are utter morons because Hillary and Obama disagreed on about 1% of the issues. I'm guessing that 90% of Hillary's backers in the primary season end up backing Obama. I agree the number will drop significantly, though there's still going to be a solid amount of voters who will not vote for Obama.. Some of those include older women (and probably a few men as well) who have waited their entire life for a woman to get elected, and now their dream of that happening in their life time is gone. And then there's the voters who had been waiting and working for 10 years (or more) to get Hillary in office. I was watching CNN yesterday, and John King (I think it was him) mentioned he was around the New York delegates for a short time, and many of them are feeling Hillary has been treated unfairly by the Obama camp after she conceded, and don't understand why he doesn't reach out to her or her supporters if he wants to unite the party, since she has been urging all her own supporters and delegates to do for Obama. So, there's the loyal Clinton voters who won't budge, and many older votes (mostly women) who feel their dream was taken away from them by the younger generation, and a newcomer. These two groups I don't see changing their position no matter what. It's not about agreeing on 99% of the issues to them.
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redfirebird2008
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Then they were voting for the wrong reasons. Identity politics is lame.
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Corpse
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Few ever vote for the wrong reasons. No one but that voter can decide on what's important to them, and how they should vote. I don't think it's right people will vote against Obama because he's black, and I don't think it's right people will vote against McCain because he's old. That doesn't matter to me at all, but I understand that to some voters it does, but I won't call them wrong in doing so. No one should be pressured to vote a certain way, a right or a wrong way. There isn't a right or wrong.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Corpse wrote: Few ever vote for the wrong reasons. No one but that voter can decide on what's important to them, and how they should vote. I don't think it's right people will vote against Obama because he's black, and I don't think it's right people will vote against McCain because he's old. That doesn't matter to me at all, but I understand that to some voters it does, but I won't call them wrong in doing so. No one should be pressured to vote a certain way, a right or a wrong way. There isn't a right or wrong. Bush in '04 was clearly wrong...
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True but I think its more of a vote between Change and Experience... Younger people and the Media love new stuff so Obama is winning those groups. However older white people are the ones that actually vote though and the don't like new things, so that is why McCain is in a tie with Obama. Obama's people can sing all his praises however I think many people will be shocked at how close the elections could be. Imo It is still 60-40 for Obama however the polls show McCain is closing the gap. Quote: There isn't a right or wrong.
Agree a vote for Bush was wrong, however I don't think 4 years of McCain would be wrong.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Mannyisthebest wrote: Younger people and the Media love new stuff so Obama is winning those groups. "The media"? The same media that harp on endlessly about one "problem" or another that Obama has? That gives every Obama gaffe ten times the airtime of an equivalent McCain gaffe?
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