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I'm also much more sensitive to racism because I come from a mixed family (we've adopted 3 African American children) and thus I've had to endure a lot of people being total fucking idiots towards my siblings. I may not care what you say about me but you talk about my little sister and I'll fucking come after you.

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u go, boy! :thumbsup:

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See I don't think there is anything about having a "sense of humor".


I don't mean that in a "haha" way. I mean it more of a "let's see you talk your way out of this one" way.

Rednecks want it both ways about the flag. They want their "heritage" on the one hand, but when you talk about slavery, they claim no connection whatsoever to the past. Well which is it - do they have no connection at all to what their ancestors did, or do they want to celebrate their heritage? Nevermind that the "heritage" they claim is one of treason, division, racism, slavery, and war.


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See I don't think there is anything about having a "sense of humor".


I don't mean that in a "haha" way. I mean it more of a "let's see you talk your way out of this one" way.

Rednecks want it both ways about the flag. They want their "heritage" on the one hand, but when you talk about slavery, they claim no connection whatsoever to the past. Well which is it - do they have no connection at all to what their ancestors did, or do they want to celebrate their heritage? Nevermind that the "heritage" they claim is one of treason, division, racism, slavery, and war.


Oh ok.

Wait.

Hold on.

I agree with you.

What is this world coming to. :ohmy: :P

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Oh ok.

Wait.

Hold on.

I agree with you.

What is this world coming to. :ohmy: :P


You're right for once. ;)


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Keith Olbermann just laid the smack down of all time on Clinton :thumbsup: :yes: :D :cool: :wub2: He really put the finishing moves on her starting at around the 7 minute mark! Fatality!!!


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Oh ok.

Wait.

Hold on.

I agree with you.

What is this world coming to. :ohmy: :P


You're right for once. ;)


Oh shut up. :shades:

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Keith Olbermann just laid the smack down of all time on Clinton :thumbsup: :yes: :D :cool: :wub2: He really put the finishing moves on her starting at around the 7 minute mark! Fatality!!!


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Keith Olbermann just laid the smack down of all time on Clinton :thumbsup: :yes: :D :cool: :wub2: He really put the finishing moves on her starting at around the 7 minute mark! Fatality!!!

Chills. God I love this man.

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Racism is the North is just as bad, its just different, its often subtler but its still there.


I grew up in the south (Georgia) and I've lived in LA for 6 years. The biggest difference to me is not that racism is so much more overt in the south (although it is), it's that there is no real shame about it.

People in LA won't admit to racism, and they're ashamed of themselves when they have a revealing moment. When I'm in the south and someone makes a racist comment, they act like it's YOUR problem if you have don't like it.

And you wouldn't catch anyone dead in LA with a Confederate flag on their car (or maybe that's exactly how you'd catch them because somebody without a sense of humor about that sort of thing would kick the shit out of them).


My adopted father is from the <suoth, so <i have lots of relatives there who I have visted my whole life, and I noticed the same thing. Were I am fromin NE, everyone pretends no one is racist, when I visit my cousins its very out there, being exposed to both at a young was a good thing. And the rural north can be just as overt as the south.

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Fox News jumps in.



"Well both, if we could."


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Fox News jumps in.



"Well both, if we could."


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It's funny how the more off-the-beaten-path parts of the north are. I live in one of the few spots in CT that isn't so definitely linked to Springfield, Boston, NYC or even our own large cities, and while most people won't admit to public racism without shame, they are astonishingly candid about "niggers" and "spics" when in private. As the city is growing more diverse, it just gets worse, not just because of the natives, but because of all the white trash welfare dregs we're soaking in from everywhere from Waterbury to Bumblefuck Ohio, a large portion of whom are very proud of their Navy-Reb flag (even though most aren't even from the south) and tons of whom are open-secret Neo-Nazis. Needless to say, it doesn't blend in well with the Hispanic, East Asian and Eastern European populations that are growing at equally quick rates.

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It's funny how the more off-the-beaten-path parts of the north are. I live in one of the few spots in CT that isn't so definitely linked to Springfield, Boston, NYC or even our own large cities, and while most people won't admit to public racism without shame, they are astonishingly candid about "niggers" and "spics" when in private. As the city is growing more diverse, it just gets worse, not just because of the natives, but because of all the white trash welfare dregs we're soaking in from everywhere from Waterbury to Bumblefuck Ohio, a large portion of whom are very proud of their Navy-Reb flag (even though most aren't even from the south) and tons of whom are open-secret Neo-Nazis. Needless to say, it doesn't blend in well with the Hispanic, East Asian and Eastern European populations that are growing at equally quick rates.

Litchfield County?

From my experience, a lot of rural areas are like that, regardless of the state.

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Fox News jumps in.



"Well both, if we could."


God, those pricks live in a world of their own, don't they?


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Fox News jumps in.



"Well both, if we could."


That's their idea of fair and balanced.


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Archie Gates wrote:
Fox News jumps in.



"Well both, if we could."


That's their idea of fair and balanced.


:funny:

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"Well both, if we could."




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So far, the defense on the nutty right for the Washington Times gargoyle is that she was JOKING. I'm not sure that saying "she simply thought it was funny that Obama and Osama are interchangeable and that we should kill them both" makes her look any better.


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Sun Ra wrote:
It's funny how the more off-the-beaten-path parts of the north are. I live in one of the few spots in CT that isn't so definitely linked to Springfield, Boston, NYC or even our own large cities, and while most people won't admit to public racism without shame, they are astonishingly candid about "niggers" and "spics" when in private. As the city is growing more diverse, it just gets worse, not just because of the natives, but because of all the white trash welfare dregs we're soaking in from everywhere from Waterbury to Bumblefuck Ohio, a large portion of whom are very proud of their Navy-Reb flag (even though most aren't even from the south) and tons of whom are open-secret Neo-Nazis. Needless to say, it doesn't blend in well with the Hispanic, East Asian and Eastern European populations that are growing at equally quick rates.

Litchfield County?

From my experience, a lot of rural areas are like that, regardless of the state.


No, Torrington. Mid-sized industrial town, 35,000 people. Yes, it's in Litchfield County, but Travis County is in the middle of Texas. Torrington and adjacent Winsted are called the armpit of the Berkshires for a reason.

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Can someone explain to me why it is beyond the pale to mention RFK's assassination? Has this country become so politically correct as to mention the country's past is beyond allowed conversation?

Can we not mention Garfield's, JFK's, Lincolns, or McKinley's? Are Martin Luther King's and Huey Long's off limits too? How about attempts like the ones on Ford and Reagan? Can we mention the Gay politicians assassinated like Harvey Milk?

This is a violent country and not mentioning previous unsavory incidents will not eradicate them.

There have been countless Democratic nominees that were "unbeatable" heading into the Summer only to either lose or barley win. Carter was ahead of Ford by 40 pts in the Summer of '76 only to win by 2 pts (if Brown had gotten in the race earlier he would have beaten Carter). Dukakis had double digit leads in '88 only to lose by double digits in the Fall. Democratic candidates imploding of their own accord or from some outside actor is not out of the ordinary, in fact it is about as likely as not.

This and Bush's appeasement BS from last week has me wondering just how historically ignorant this country actually is. Before I thought it was just ridiculously high, but it must be off the charts.

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the problem is you can't use assasination of your opponent as one of the reasons for staying in the race till june. :funny: that's freaking retarded.

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There's nothing wrong with referencing assassination. There's a problem with referencing it in context of why one stays in a campaign.

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There's nothing wrong with referencing assassination. There's a problem with referencing it in context of why one stays in a campaign.



Yes, but there have been at least 2 deaths of Democratic nominees in the past decade before the election. In 2002, Paul Wellstone died a week before the Minnesota US Senate election as did Mel Carnahan in 2000 again a week before the Missouri US Senate election.

She should get some criticism, I suppose, because her presentation of the arguement was clumsily worded. However, the fact that she quickly apologized shows (IMHO at least) there was no malice intended. I don't understand all the vitrol of "wanting to punch her in the face" etc.

It is a fact that death (Carnahan, Wellstone, Kennedys, Boggs, etc.), scandal (Spitzer, Eagleton, etc.) and other factors can ruin a candidate.

I remember in 1992, that Paul Tsongas was supposed to have a clean bill of health after dealing with non-Hodgkins lymphoma in the early 1980's. He eventually died before his first term would have ended (if he had been elected). I remember thinking he was the sickest candidate I had ever seen in my lifetime and thought his clean bill of health was b.s., which it turned out to be when his actual medical records were released with his death. The media annointed Tsongas as the "truth teller".

Obama looks very sickly and tired to me in his appearences lately, he reminds me of John Kennedy who hid his Addison's disease from the public.

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