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The early exit polls said that Change was the #1 issue for the Wisconsin Voters. If that is true, Obama should get a victory.


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The early exit polls said that Change was the #1 issue for the Wisconsin Voters. If that is true, Obama should get a victory.


Meh. Hillary switched to that as her message for a while too. :lol:


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Jedi Master Carr wrote:
The early exit polls said that Change was the #1 issue for the Wisconsin Voters. If that is true, Obama should get a victory.


Meh. Hillary switched to that as her message for a while too. :lol:

lol well she has been preaching experience lately.


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Jedi Master Carr wrote:
redfirebird2008 wrote:
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The early exit polls said that Change was the #1 issue for the Wisconsin Voters. If that is true, Obama should get a victory.


Meh. Hillary switched to that as her message for a while too. :lol:

lol well she has been preaching experience lately.


Yes. She focused her message. At first it was about experience, then it went to change, and now it's back to experience except she sharpened the rhetoric to include "speeches vs. solutions, "talk vs. action," "rhetoric vs. results."


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redfirebird2008 wrote:
Jedi Master Carr wrote:
redfirebird2008 wrote:
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The early exit polls said that Change was the #1 issue for the Wisconsin Voters. If that is true, Obama should get a victory.


Meh. Hillary switched to that as her message for a while too. :lol:

lol well she has been preaching experience lately.


Yes. She focused her message. At first it was about experience, then it went to change, and now it's back to experience except she sharpened the rhetoric to include "speeches vs. solutions, "talk vs. action," "rhetoric vs. results."

I think she is full of it. Why is Hillary more experienced than Obama or Edwards. She has only been in the Senate for like 8 years. So she screwed the President for 8 years that don't qualify her to be President. If we were going to vote experience we might as well just give to McCain right now.


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http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/exitPoll.shtml?state=WI&race=P&jurisdiction=0&party=D. The cross calculation gives Obama 55% to Hillary's 43%.

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Hillary knows the players and the game. She's proven herself in the Senate. She's an accomplished lawyer. She was very active as a First Lady. I see her as the VP of a popular President who is now running for the White House. If you have a VP and a Senator running, who is the more experienced for the White House? The VP. So Hillary is more experienced in that regard.


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Hillary knows the players and the game. She's proven herself in the Senate. She's an accomplished lawyer. She was very active as a First Lady. I see her as the VP of a popular President who is now running for the White House. If you have a VP and a Senator running, who is the more experienced for the White House? The VP. So Hillary is more experienced in that regard.


So you think Cheney would be a better president than either Clinton or Obama, right?

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No Country for Sam wrote:
Hillary knows the players and the game. She's proven herself in the Senate. She's an accomplished lawyer. She was very active as a First Lady. I see her as the VP of a popular President who is now running for the White House. If you have a VP and a Senator running, who is the more experienced for the White House? The VP. So Hillary is more experienced in that regard.

I just don't think that is experienced like running a country. She knows how to work the senate the president's job is a huge difference. To me unless you are president or Vice President you can't use the experience issue to run for president.


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No Country for Sam wrote:
Hillary knows the players and the game. She's proven herself in the Senate. She's an accomplished lawyer. She was very active as a First Lady. I see her as the VP of a popular President who is now running for the White House. If you have a VP and a Senator running, who is the more experienced for the White House? The VP. So Hillary is more experienced in that regard.


So you think Cheney would be a better president than either Clinton or Obama, right?


BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! God help us all. :ohmy:


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Jedi Master Carr wrote:
No Country for Sam wrote:
Hillary knows the players and the game. She's proven herself in the Senate. She's an accomplished lawyer. She was very active as a First Lady. I see her as the VP of a popular President who is now running for the White House. If you have a VP and a Senator running, who is the more experienced for the White House? The VP. So Hillary is more experienced in that regard.

I just don't think that is experienced like running a country. She knows how to work the senate the president's job is a huge difference. To me unless you are president or Vice President you can't use the experience issue to run for president.


Yeah. Obama has actually been a legislator for longer than her, he too was a very good lawyer (civil rights specialty), he taught Constitutional Law, and his first job out of college was as a community organizer. I think they're both pretty inexperienced as far as being President goes, but they are both running massive campaigns that are basically corporations. He has run his campaign much more effectively than her thus far.


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No Country for Sam wrote:
Hillary knows the players and the game. She's proven herself in the Senate. She's an accomplished lawyer. She was very active as a First Lady. I see her as the VP of a popular President who is now running for the White House. If you have a VP and a Senator running, who is the more experienced for the White House? The VP. So Hillary is more experienced in that regard.


http://rasmussenreports.com/public_cont ... oofs_again

this really shows how much clinton actually has done in her "political" career.


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You didn't just cite Dick Morris did you? :funny: That guy loathes the Clintons more than anyone else in America. Not exactly an objective source.


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Jim Halpert wrote:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_cont ... oofs_again

this really shows how much clinton actually has done in her "political" career.


lol that was such a fair and balanced article.... NOT!


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No Country for Sam wrote:
Jim Halpert wrote:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_cont ... oofs_again

this really shows how much clinton actually has done in her "political" career.


lol that was such a fair and balanced article.... NOT!


As soon as you see the name "Dick Morris" associated with it, you can pretty much ignore it, or at least that is how I treat him. But I guess I should like him since I'm an Obama supporter, but I still think he's a sleaze ball and full of sh*t a majority of the time.


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No Country for Sam wrote:
Jim Halpert wrote:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_cont ... oofs_again

this really shows how much clinton actually has done in her "political" career.


lol that was such a fair and balanced article.... NOT!


he ran down everything in her career. It shows that she is running on her last name, not because she has experience because the simple fact is she doesnt.


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I'm optimistic but still a bit worried. I think Clinton's showing might be understated by these polls.

This is different from Super Tuesday, though, where it was less about percentages and more about delegates. Here, Obama could win by 5 votes, and it'd be win for him.

Results should be coming in 45 minutes.


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I dunno, I never expected Clinton to win in Wisconsin, and was heavily skeptical of recent polls that had her drawing even.

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Let's also not forget that Hawaii caucuses are tonight, too. Because of the time thing, though, results won't be in till late.


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It's all irrelevant. Texas, Ohio and PA are the real states. Clinton needs all 3, and should get them.

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It's all irrelevant. Texas, Ohio and PA are the real states. Clinton needs all 3, and should get them.


I don't know if she will get all three, but you have to admit, if she wins tonight, it will make it easier for her to do so.

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It's all irrelevant. Texas, Ohio and PA are the real states. Clinton needs all 3, and should get them.


I don't know if she will get all three, but you have to admit, if she wins tonight, it will make it easier for her to do so.


If she wins tonight, I think Obama is done.

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Exit polls show more women voters than men and fewer college graduates than in previous primaries. Both of those bode well for Hillary.


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CNN says their exit polls show Obama leading but that they're not ready to project.


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Oh and McCain won.


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