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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40599
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
The same media sources saying Trump has no chance are the ones who spent years saying this is the beginning of the end and the walls are closing in during his campaign, Russiagate, Ukraine, etc.
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:43 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25432 Location: Classified
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Shack if you put all this energy into posts on Parlor or 4chan you'd have like five million followers by now. Especially since Fox has gone Deep State.
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:13 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
It's not just the media (which have projected and called winners before, what's new?) that's saying Trump has no chance of overturning his loss, it's also something called the Constitution that neither Trump or any of his supposed America-loving supporters have ever read.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:28 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40599
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
There are now 17 states who have added themselves in support of Texas lawsuit
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:55 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Shack wrote: There are now 17 states who have added themselves in support of Texas lawsuit 18 states with Attorney Generals who believe millions of votes cast in OTHER states should be thrown out for no reason other than that Trump didn't win them. This would be funny if it wasn't so terrifying. Some constitutionalists the GOP are.
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:05 pm |
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Excel
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Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22214 Location: Places
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
No, they didn't.
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:11 pm |
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Alex Y.
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Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:47 pm Posts: 5824
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
One thing to keep an eye out is if Pelosi gets the 218 Democratic votes next month to remain Speaker of the House, There could be backlash against her for both the way she withheld COVID-19 aid from Americans as well as intentionally choosing someone compromised by Chinese spy to be on the intelligence committee.
I am of the opinion that the Supreme Court does not want to be seen as immediately deciding the election result at this time, not liking the precedent set in immediately ruling either for and against Texas. So ii still think it will drag out several months, with possibly a re-election after pandemic is declared over
Now the extra chaos is if Pelosi is not confirmed as House Speaker (who would’ve been inaugurated) especially if more leaks come out alleging her of being compromised by China. Would that make GOP Chuck Grassley temporary president for awhile at first, then Democrats vote for a replacement Speaker that person becomes another temporary president?
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:59 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11624 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
No, it’s just going to be Joe. Nothing exciting
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:48 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40599
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Alex Y. wrote: One thing to keep an eye out is if Pelosi gets the 218 Democratic votes next month to remain Speaker of the House, There could be backlash against her for both the way she withheld COVID-19 aid from Americans as well as intentionally choosing someone compromised by Chinese spy to be on the intelligence committee.
I am of the opinion that the Supreme Court does not want to be seen as immediately deciding the election result at this time, not liking the precedent set in immediately ruling either for and against Texas. So ii still think it will drag out several months, with possibly a re-election after pandemic is declared over
Now the extra chaos is if Pelosi is not confirmed as House Speaker (who would’ve been inaugurated) especially if more leaks come out alleging her of being compromised by China. Would that make GOP Chuck Grassley temporary president for awhile at first, then Democrats vote for a replacement Speaker that person becomes another temporary president? I don't know if the SC would declare Trump the winner, but if they "cancelled" the election results it would be as good as Trump winning as it would go to a House vote by number of states where the Republicans have more.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:31 am |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:15 pm Posts: 36949
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Yeah I don't think there will be a third person now. Its either Biden win or Trump loss now.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:40 am |
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Alex Y.
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
A ruling against Texas sets the bad precedent for states to be able to overrule Constitution during pandemic. The fallout from such a ruling could cause chaos, by allowing for states to make up their own rules to not follow the proper Constitutional procedures (eg submit extra delegates votes) for January 6 counting of electoral votes for official declaration of presidency.
Rather than any immediate rulings before all evidence could be heard, I think Supreme Court would rather compromise and set the precedent to delay allowing any official election result to occur (including not allowing the House to official vote for its own winner) until after pandemic is over, after which in which the 4 states have to follow pre-pandemic voting procedures for a re-vote.
For my scenario, depending on who the Democrats pick as Speaker of the House, we might get a true bi-partisan executive branch with Dem president, and if GA wins the senate race, a GOP VP potentially being Senate tiebreaker. This could end up providing more country-unification stability for our country (not if Pelosi is president though), versus potential ensuing violence from either Trump or Biden being inaugurated in January. I actually think there is a scenario where this ends up being popular enough that Biden withdraws as nominee and this temporary president replaces him as the new Democratic nominee vs.Trump.
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
You guys are forgetting (ignoring? denying? stunned out of reality?) that the election was over a month ago and Biden won. And since then, the election has been certified following a record number of humiliating defeats, and millions of yours and my money being spent in court by the Trump legal team. This isn't November 2nd anymore.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:20 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40599
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Corpse wrote: You guys are forgetting (ignoring? denying? stunned out of reality?) that the election was over a month ago and Biden won. And since then, the election has been certified following a record number of humiliating defeats, and millions of yours and my money being spent in court by the Trump legal team. This isn't November 2nd anymore. If you go by the idea Trump wanted to get to the Supreme Court, losing on the lower levels was part of the plan if anything.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:42 am |
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Flava'd vs The World
The Kramer
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:36 am Posts: 25432 Location: Classified
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Alex Y. wrote: One thing to keep an eye out is if Pelosi gets the 218 Democratic votes next month to remain Speaker of the House, There could be backlash against her for both the way she withheld COVID-19 aid from Americans as well as intentionally choosing someone compromised by Chinese spy to be on the intelligence committee.
I am of the opinion that the Supreme Court does not want to be seen as immediately deciding the election result at this time, not liking the precedent set in immediately ruling either for and against Texas. So ii still think it will drag out several months, with possibly a re-election after pandemic is declared over
Now the extra chaos is if Pelosi is not confirmed as House Speaker (who would’ve been inaugurated) especially if more leaks come out alleging her of being compromised by China. Would that make GOP Chuck Grassley temporary president for awhile at first, then Democrats vote for a replacement Speaker that person becomes another temporary president? How is Pelosi withholding aid when the Republican plan contains no money for American citizens?? Then again why am I trying to reason with the unreasonable? Good luck with your coup!
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:07 pm |
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Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Corpse wrote: You guys are forgetting (ignoring? denying? stunned out of reality?) that the election was over a month ago and Biden won. And since then, the election has been certified following a record number of humiliating defeats, and millions of yours and my money being spent in court by the Trump legal team. This isn't November 2nd anymore. It's so insane to me. Shack and Alex Y. are talking as if the election didn't already happen and it hasn't been OVER A MONTH since it did? Like wtf are you even talking about? It's beyond delusional, it's just sad.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:07 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40599
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Flava'd vs The World wrote: Alex Y. wrote: One thing to keep an eye out is if Pelosi gets the 218 Democratic votes next month to remain Speaker of the House, There could be backlash against her for both the way she withheld COVID-19 aid from Americans as well as intentionally choosing someone compromised by Chinese spy to be on the intelligence committee.
I am of the opinion that the Supreme Court does not want to be seen as immediately deciding the election result at this time, not liking the precedent set in immediately ruling either for and against Texas. So ii still think it will drag out several months, with possibly a re-election after pandemic is declared over
Now the extra chaos is if Pelosi is not confirmed as House Speaker (who would’ve been inaugurated) especially if more leaks come out alleging her of being compromised by China. Would that make GOP Chuck Grassley temporary president for awhile at first, then Democrats vote for a replacement Speaker that person becomes another temporary president? How is Pelosi withholding aid when the Republican plan contains no money for American citizens?? Then again why am I trying to reason with the unreasonable? Good luck with your coup!
By saying "It was not a mistake, it was a decision to take us to the place where we could do the right thing" she is arguably implying that they intentionally didn't want a smaller COVID bill (without fat that had nothing to do with COVID that the Republicans were going to reject) to pass before because their real goal was winning the election and then using that power to pass the relief they want.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:21 pm |
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Shack
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Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40599
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Regardless of whether you think it was rigged or not, I'm surprised people could be so confident Trump has no chance...
Put it this way, it appears the the majority of Republicans think the election was rigged. The Supreme Court has 6 of them to 3, with 3 Trump appointees, 2 guys so far right that they're still trying to ban gay marriage, and 1 moderate who Trump's base has given up on but probably isn't a total write off yet. Considering how convinced Republicans are of the fraud, it's not hard to imagine 5 of 6 voting on Trump's side.
Furthermore if we assume Trump genuinely believes the Democrats are criminals who stole the election and compromised by China, he would most likely rather declare martial law than let the US be taken over by foreign country. He said in his speech the other day if the Democrats win, "we don't have a country anymore". So for Trump to lose not only does the Supreme Court have to turn on him, but he would most likely test the military's allegiance as well as a last case resort, and the military is full of Republicans who very well may be convinced of the voter fraud.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:52 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
So the Texas lawsuit...
Texas, 17 states (6 as plaintiffs) in support, Trump (plaintiff), 106 House Reps, 70 PA assembly members
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Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, 20 states in support (that makes 42 states on one side or the toher)
And counting, with House Reps jumping on board obviously the Democrat equivalents soon will
The Supreme Court has to take this, this is the mother of all lawsuits! And Trump's side might be argued by Ted Cruz? Televise this please.
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:02 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Eh...
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:58 pm |
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Shack
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
The way the lawsuit would likely succeed is based on a simple argument, the Democrats changed the rules right before the election without going through the legislatures which the Republicans controlled. The only way to have fair elections is if both sides agree to rule changes.
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:21 am |
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Excel
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Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22214 Location: Places
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Shack wrote: The way the lawsuit would likely succeed is based on a simple argument, the Democrats changed the rules right before the election without going through the legislatures which the Republicans controlled. The only way to have fair elections is if both sides agree to rule changes. So if elected Republicans force a viewpoint on a certain issue, they are "reflecting the will of the majority of voters who put them in office". When Democrats do the same....?
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:36 am |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Also the changes in PA were done by the GOP legislature
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:14 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Is the media admitting the Hunter story is real now because they want to drive Joe out for Kamala?
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:10 pm |
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Corpse
Don't Dream It, Be It
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm Posts: 37162 Location: The Graveyard
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Supreme Court rejects the Texas "kraken, this is the big one!" lawsuit (saying they don't even have grounds to file a suit) and all their absurd cronies who signed up in support of them.
Constitution wins again. Trump loses again.
_________________Japan Box Office “Gods are great ... but the heart is greater. For it is from our hearts they come, and to our hearts they shall return.” “We were like gods at the dawning of the world, & our joy was so bright we could see nothing else but the other.” “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” “You have to pretend you get an endgame. You have to carry on like you will; otherwise, you can't carry on at all.” "Paper is dead without words / Ink idle without a poem / All the world dead without stories."
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:40 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
KJ's Leading Idiot
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 Re: Democracy 2020 (President-elect Joseph R Biden Jr.)
Corpse wrote: Supreme Court rejects the Texas' "kraken, this is the big one!" lawsuit (saying they don't even have grounds to file a suit) and all their absurd cronies who signed up in support of them.
Constitution wins again. Trump loses again. But but..... This was the mother of all lawsuits, maybe Supreme Court has also been bought by Biden. Trump will win for sure in the next lawsuit which will be father of all lawsuits.
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:48 pm |
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