This is a ridiculous thing to say. It's as if people can't be against disproportionately higher taxes on the rich on principle.

Besides, McCain tax plan is a known - it's the plan that is already in place. Obama's tax plan is the one that needs to pass the house, etc. Just because he's saying he'll lower your taxes, doesn't mean it will actually happen.

Of course they can but explain why one would? On Obamas plan if you make under 96,000 a year, oull save an average of 3x more a year than you would under mccain plan. If princiciple is the only reason you dont like his plan your argument is not a good one.



the house is a dem majorty, itll get passed.

I would drop the "re-education" meme. It's awful and it's counter-productive.

What you're saying is that you want people to vote with their heads instead of their hearts (as Groucho puts it). That's not really something you can educate into people anyway.

There's a reason why Republicans don't run on real issues, and why no Republican has really defended anything in McCain's platform. Most people support Dems on the issues, but they lose because Republicans understand something about people that Dems don't. They would get immediately shot down in an honest open debate about issues. So they make it about personality.

And it doesn't help that the media buys into the easier-to-digest Republican memes.

Dems must learn to play the game that way, but do it while trying to remain honest. Obama's latest commercial goes after McCain's "maverick" reputation. It's a good one, but it's not enough. They need to make it reflexive, the way Republicans do.

That is actually how Obama got ahead. Obama has always been a mix of republican style with democractic themes, that is why I think hell win the election.

My taxes are slated to stay exactly the same under Obama and theyll be cut by McSame. Even if they were being upped, it wouldnt make a difference in opinion.

Regarding tax plans, I don't think either is any good.

If you want to talk about taxes, the people who need a break are the group between $35,550 and $164,550. To break it down more, I think the people making between $78,850 and $164,550 simply pay too much. Obama's plan is better under about 115,000, and McCain's better from $115,000 to $164,000, and neither plan gets it totally right.

First off, McCain offers too much of a break to people making gross amounts of money. The extreme wealthy have had their taxes cut to where I feel they should be, but proportionally their taxes are fair, they don't need another tax break.

Obama on the other hand, wants to raise taxes on the rich, which I also don't agree with. Leave their taxes alone. Further more, Obama wants the biggest cuts for people who make below $35,550, people who pay only 10 to 15% of their check to taxes. It's simply not needed.

Now many of you will likely argue the burden on the poor is unfair, but I disagree, I think the burden should be about the same proportionally, and I feel that that rate is low enough as is. A dollar means more to someone making $35,550 than it does to someone making $1 million, and because of that the rich foot the burden of additional taxation, but that doesn't mean that the rich need to shoulder the full burden of our government. I have no problem cutting taxes for those making under $35,550, but not when he is using tax hikes on the rich to pay for them.

Washington bleeds money, fix that then raise taxes.

imo the most effective ads thus far are McCain ads showing Hilary and Biden attacking Obama.
Those ads are highly highly effective and there is no real counter to it.

Obama ads are way to happy and feel good even when they are negative

"McCain is not a Maverick but I am good"


GOD Dam it!!! Is that all!!!

Get more negative!!!

BUSH 3.00, war lover, old man!!!!

Replace "the rich" with "black people". Why should any white person oppose such a plan?

Yeah, because the Congress has accomplished SO much in the past two years.

Wait, according to your logic, you MUST vote McCain.

Krem its really hard when the President will veto everything and Democrats really do not have control of the senate.

Has Bush been pushing some big tax cut plans on the middle class through this Dem congress that we're all unaware of?

If there's a problem that they will face even with control of all three branches, it's an obstructionist Republican minority.

What, someone took away Congress's ability to pass its own laws? They must follow Bush's lead?

Well I am not 100% well educated on how the congress works.

If a super majority do not a bill can't the President veto it?

My taxes will be the same as they are now under Obama and I dont need the cuts but I am smart enough to know people who make a lot less then me do and Obama gives em more.



Well seeing as it all goes through W...

How many bills has Bush vetoed from this congress?

he has vetoed any real plan to change things that even John McCain supports like water boarding and such.

They could not get such a tax bill passed under a Bush presidency. And when they have tried to pass progressive bills on alternative energy, child health insurance, or waterboarding, they've been either blocked or vetoed.

Such laws would pass under Obama. In fact, the most solid argument to me for McCain is the divided govt argument. But no one is making that argument. Democrats don't want it, and Republicans can't make the case after supporting the boondoggle that was Republican control from 2001-2007.

Yeah, I can see McCain making that argument now: vote me for president and Democrats into Congress

Um, no, W vetoes them

McCain cannot do anything major due to the congress unlike Bush who had all 3 levels under his control.

There would be better cooperation but there will be bitter feelings still.


Democrats would be mighty pissed if they lose.

And that worked out well

Well no, but he knows that Dems will control Congress even if he does win the WH. As such, he should be making that play.

Stop giving McRobot talking points! You know he's lurking.

The only bills Bush has vetoed that weren't passed anyways (compare that to 38 bills Clinton vetoed):

Intelligence Authorization Act for 2008
Childrens's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization
Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education Act of 2008.
Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007
Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007.
U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Act, 2007


So what else have they been doing?