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I'd like to challenge Obama to give a 5 minute speech someday. goodness, what a snoozefest.


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Why does Obama always win the voting block of people with a more affluent people who have a college education and HIllary always wins people who don't have College Degree or HIgh School Diploma?

Partly because the working class people in states like Ohio and Penn did pretty decently in the 90s compared to how they are doing now. When you feel like things are changing too fast and your lifestyle sliding away, a politician yelling Change and Future isn't as appealing as one saying Back to what Worked.

And of course because some are racist but it's not just that.

Outside of African-Americans, Obama does best among young people and well off people, the young and healthy and the rich. What they have in common is the two groups who least need a traditional type democrat. Hillary ran as that type.

Putting it all together, I think the main opposition to Obama, other than a racial angle for some voters, is that he doesn't talk enough about the economy and doesn't give off enough of a populist vibe on core democrat issues.


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None of the networks have called Indiana for Clinton yet, and still the 2nd most populous county, Lake, which is where Gary, Indiana is, has not reported any votes, and Obama is supposed to do very well there. I think Clinton is going to end up winning Indiana by 10-15K votes.

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There's no way this can be interpreted as anything but a win night for Obama.

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She won Indiana, but by just 3/4 points it seems. And Obama is up 13 right now in NC with over 3/4 of the vote in. Though she has slowly gained on him there, but it's not goint to matter.

I have mixed feelings about all this.

Obama still didn't make any gains with working class voters, which is the demographic you need in states like OH and PA. And he lost both those by 10. So I really worry about him going against McCain in those states. Because losing both of those means a McCain victory. So I'd rather Clinton go against McCain in the general election, but unless both MI and FL are included she seems to have no chance after tonight. And something else that worrys me about Obama going against McCain. There will be bitter Clinton supporters. Her supporters are standing behind her firmly, and the support is growing. 50% of her supporters now say they'd either vote for McCain (around 30% of that 50%), while the rest say they will not vote. While nearly 3/4 of Obama supporters would support Clinton. Yes, those numbers will drop, but they simply aren't going to disappear. And they could really effect the swing states. So by the numbers from polls, state by state polls, etc. Clinton is the stronger candidate to go agaisnt McCain, but Obama is going to be the nominee.

I really dislike the DEM's primary system of if you finish second place, you can still be first.

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Groucho wrote:
There's no way this can be interpreted as anything but a win night for Obama.



absolutely :D

Clinton won Indiana but only got 2 delegates more than Obama.
Obama won NC and got 11 more delegates than Clinton.
*unofficial*

she needs to drop out :grrr: or the dems will lose in november.

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Obama still didn't make any gains with working class voters, which is the demographic you need in states like OH and PA.

So? Last I checked, this was the United States of America, with fifty states.

The whole point of Obama is to get past the kind of politics where only Ohio and Pennsylvania matter, where squeaking by an election is more important than building a coalition that cares about the other states in existence. It's obvious enough Clinton only cares about winning elections, enough to lie to the American people to achieve that end. Some people have trouble understanding that. I wanna see Hillary try to take Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, North Dakota, Iowa, and Virginia. :roll: :funny: And don't give me the "a Democrat can't win Texas" bullshit. The only thing standing in the way is not trying. The same way Hillary deliberately won't try to contest 90% of our country.

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Corpse wrote:
Obama still didn't make any gains with working class voters, which is the demographic you need in states like OH and PA.

So? Last I checked, this was the United States of America, with fifty states.

The whole point of Obama is to get past the kind of politics where only Ohio and Pennsylvania matter, where squeaking by an election is more important than building a coalition that cares about the other states in existence. It's obvious enough Clinton only cares about winning elections, enough to lie to the American people to achieve that end. Some people have trouble understanding that. I wanna see Hillary try to take Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, North Dakota, Iowa, and Virginia. :roll: :funny: And don't give me the "a Democrat can't win Texas" bullshit. The only thing standing in the way is not trying. The same way Hillary deliberately won't try to contest 90% of our country.


Exactly. Obama has shown throughout this contest that he has the organization to contend in places other candidates would toss away as unwinnable or not worth ones time.

This obsession with Clinton beating Obama by 10 points in OH and PA is honestly NUTTY. Okay. If her dumb voters wanna switch sides and vote for McCain can you honestly call them democrats or are they as fake as a majority of politicians pretending to run things? Besides, I wouldn't believe that a democrat voter isn't going to vote democrat in the end when they look at that ballot. McCain or Obama. Hhmm, if your a democrat the choice is beyond clear.

Lastly, talk about possible "bitter" voters. If Obama gets the nomination snatched out of his hands there will be 0% chance that Clinton wins against McCain imo. Unless of course Obama is the VP candidate then everything is all hunky dory again.

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Votes are starting to come in from Lake County in Gary.

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It is also a fallacy that white, working-class voters would not vote for Obama. I remember back in 2000, at the end of the brutal Republican primary only half of John McCain supporters claimed to support George Bush. We all know how that turned out. A small percentage of working-class whites will reject Obama, but these are a small number. Passions run hot during contested elections; by November, sobriety will have set in, and working-class Americans will have gotten an honest appraisal of Bush-McCain economic policy.

Also, remember Obama's commitment to expanding the map. He intends to mount full voter registration drives in each of our fifty states, or die trying. He believes that expanding democracy is a noble end unto itself, and that the American people can be trusted to deliver for him as a result. One dirty secret of American politics rarely gets spoken:

If every American of voting age vote in each election, progressives would win by landslide margins every time. That our elections are even remotely competitive between the two parties is because older voters are vastly overrepresented at election time. The idea of encouraging working-age Americans to participate more is beautiful even to think of.

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holy shit! :wacko: he's going to take Indiana too.

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holy shit! :wacko: he's going to take Indiana too.

I heart Lake County. We Chicagoans love our honorary suburb. It's too early to forecast how the other 72% of the county will vote yet. It won't be as gaping-wide as 72-28, trust me.

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Soooo... does this mean we can put this primary to an end, soon? :yes:

I'm tired of the Clinton-Obama match up. I think we've pretty much exhausted all the main points about both candidates. It's time to move on. :wacko:


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Only county left is Union, and that's Clinton bait. Still, the gap was less than 2% between either of them. Obama trailblazed NC, of course.

Little tidbit:

The North Carolina state board of elections reported that misleading robocalls were made to African-american voters in the days leading up to the primary in late April 2008,[10] which essentially told registered voters that they were not registered.[11] According to NPR [12] and Facing South[13], these calls were made by the organization "Women's Voices Women Vote."[14]

Women being deceitful? Never heard of that.

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Union is a low-population county. A couple thousand votes. The few remaining precincts in Indianapolis will take care of Union County. Obama's problem is that the rest of Lake County is not friendly turf. A victory is still possible at this point, but unlikely.

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All the pundits on CNN are referring to Hillary in the past-tense.

Bill Clinton was visibly choked up during her speech. :shock:


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Women being deceitful? Never heard of that.

(waits for Bradley to ah-ha! me...)

I'm certain that once you have had your first opportunity to meet a woman, that your perspective will change...


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Women being deceitful? Never heard of that.

(waits for Bradley to ah-ha! me...)

I'm certain that once you have had your first opportunity to meet a woman, that your perspective will change...



buuuurrrrrrrnnnn! :lol:

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Sun Ra wrote:
Women being deceitful? Never heard of that.

(waits for Bradley to ah-ha! me...)

I'm certain that once you have had your first opportunity to meet a woman, that your perspective will change...

Cynic! Stop dating Hillary...

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Bradley Witherberry wrote:
Sun Ra wrote:
Women being deceitful? Never heard of that.

(waits for Bradley to ah-ha! me...)

I'm certain that once you have had your first opportunity to meet a woman, that your perspective will change...



buuuurrrrrrrnnnn! :lol:

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My predictions:

North Carolina: Dead Heat - - Clinton-Obama tied
Indiana: Clinton +8


(Obama's exit polls are usually much higher than the final result.)


:funny: Good call there Stanley

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:funny: Good call there Stanley

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I'm almost as good at political predictions as I am at BO predictions! :thumbsup:


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Sun Ra wrote:
Women being deceitful? Never heard of that.

(waits for Bradley to ah-ha! me...)

I'm certain that once you have had your first opportunity to meet a woman, that your perspective will change...


Who has nearly double the posts of me on an internet forum?

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damn...that musta hurt, brad :grrr:

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