Gay marriage has long been a divisive and partisan issue with the most vocal opponents coming from the Republican Party.
How the party answers that question could shape its future.
But now, in the wake of recent state decisions in favor of gay marriage, some high profile members of the GOP are trying to change that, among them, Meghan McCain, the daughter of the party's favorite maverick. The 24-year-old McCain was the keynote speaker at an event this weekend hosted by the Log Cabin Republicans, a conservative gay rights group.
McCain's message: "I think government is best when it stays out of people's lives and business as much as possible. I love punk rock. I believe in a strong national defense. I have a tattoo. I believe government should always be efficient and accountable. I have lots of gay friends. And yes, I am a Republican."
While she didn't go so far as to come out explicity in support of gay marriage, her father's former campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, who also spoke at the event, did just that.
"It cannot be argued that marriage between people of the same sex is un-American or threatens the rights of others," he said. And in doing so, he took on the party's powerful religious right.
"If you put public policy issues to a religious test you risk becoming a religious party, and in a free country, a political party cannot remain viable in the long term if it is seen as sectarian," he said.
The comments from McCain and Schmidt come in the wake of three recent wins for the gay marriage movement.
In Iowa, the state's supreme court made history with a unanimous decision legalizing gay marriage.
Vermont became the first state to legalize same sex marriage through the legislature, not the courts.
And in Washington, D.C., the city council voted to recognize same sex marriages conducted outside the state -- a decision that could elevate the issue up to the U.S. Senate. Polls show that most Americans, both Republicans and Democrats, oppose gay marriage. But it's in the GOP where the issue has recently come to the fore, with some saying the party must distance itself from the religious right if it's going to find its way out of the political wilderness.
Distancing our party from the religious right would be a dream come true, as it fosters many of the things I can't stand about my party. It's too bad that this comes in the form of a forced re-invention of the party as opposed to an intentional change, but I don't care. I just want the end result, regardless of how we get there.
Personally, I don't buy it. It's just too good to be true, and I can't see us changing on this issue while a majority of the nation is on the other side. You don't win elections by switching from a populous opinion to the minority.
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:16 pm
Shack
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Good. The fact that half the country can have this stance in the year 2009 is frankly embarrasing.
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
meghan mccain has actually been saying a lot of good stuff lately. She needs to run for office.
Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:41 pm
Beeblebrox
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
It would be smart, and it's inevitable to a large extent (like with interracial marriage, 30 years from now you'll never meet a conservative who was ever against it), but I'll believe it when I see it. If anything, the GOP leadership has gotten MORE crazy recently.
Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:41 pm
Beeblebrox
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Jim Halpert wrote:
meghan mccain has actually been saying a lot of good stuff lately. She needs to run for office.
She sounds more like a libertarian. Libertarians make up a very small portion of the GOP. I think she'd do well in a general election, but I wonder if she'd even make it out of the primary process, which tends to be made up of much more conservative voters.
Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:43 pm
Mr. Reynolds
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
A republican party without the right wing religious nuts would actually be worth listening to once in a while.
Why is the "Party" still obsessed with opposite marriage?
I don't understand the obsession with this. All it's doing is creating more division. Leave it up to the voters/lawmakers in their respective states and forget about it.
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Of course sane Republicans still exist, but after the last seven months, they sure don't seem to be in control of anything in their party.
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:58 pm
Beeblebrox
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Sam wrote:
A republican party without the right wing religious nuts would actually be worth listening to once in a while.
I wouldn't go that far. It still leaves the anti-science nuts and the Big Brother pro-torture nuts. But it's a start.
Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:00 pm
Caius
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Beeblebrox wrote:
Sam wrote:
A republican party without the right wing religious nuts would actually be worth listening to once in a while.
I wouldn't go that far. It still leaves the anti-science nuts and the Big Brother pro-torture nuts. But it's a start.
You forgot the anti-brown people nuts and the gun nuts and the secession nuts and the anti-tax nuts and the black helicopter nuts, etc.
Not sure I see the link between being pro-torture and a relation to Big Brother. I do not remember much talk about torturing people from the non-Oceania nations.
Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:06 pm
Beeblebrox
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Caius wrote:
You forgot the anti-brown people nuts and the gun nuts and the secession nuts and the anti-tax nuts and the black helicopter nuts, etc.
Ah, of course. Thanks!
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Not sure I see the link between being pro-torture and a relation to Big Brother.
Big Brother has to do with the right's embrace of warrantless wiretapping and spying on Americans with no court oversight, as well as indefinite detention and torture in the name of "protecting us."
And while it's true that the Obama administration has unfortunately defended the warrantless wiretapping, the rest of the party in the Dem & liberal blogosphere have been extremely critical of him over this.
Obama's been a welcome change for me. He's really my kind of president in just about ever facet, heck, the things many Democrats disagree with are things I find even more endearing in him. I can't complain, he's done very well so far in my book.
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Meanwhile, 16 state leaders in the RNC are trying to get this resolution adopted:
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RESOLVED, that we the members of the Republican National Committee call on the Democratic Party to be truthful and honest with the American people by acknowledging that they have evolved from a party of tax and spend to a party of tax and nationalize and, therefore, should agree to rename themselves the Democrat Socialist Party.
Oregon RNC member Solomon Yue, a founder of a conservative caucus among RNC members, said, "We must refocus the public's attention to the Democrat Party's stampede to socialism and we must make our socialist president's every legislative victory so costly that he will lose the war in 2010 and 2012."
Of course, some Republicans think this doesn't go far enough:
So Mr. Anuzis has turned to provocation with a purpose. He calls the president’s domestic agenda “economic fascism.â€
“We’ve so overused the word ‘socialism’ that it no longer has the negative connotation it had 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago,†[former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party] Mr. Anuzis said. “Fascism — everybody still thinks that’s a bad thing.â€
Could the GOP possibly be a bigger joke?
Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:25 am
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Matt Taibbi did a great article on how they have become the class clowns of American politics.
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Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:52 pm
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Groucho wrote:
Absolutely clueless, aren't they?
Yeah, I mean they've doubled-down on defending torture. TORTURE!! How far gone do you have to be to be the pro-torture party?! And that's just one issue. They are also anti-science, including everything from global warming to evolution to stem-cell research. The anti-gay stance is just one in a big stack of bitter and crazy.
It's like they have a manual of all the things the public cares about and are reading it upside down.
Tedisco’s victory will be a credible repudiation of the spending spree that Obama and Congress have been on since January. Even the executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee acknowledged over the weekend that the race was “a referendum on the Economic Recovery Act and Barack Obama’s policies.†Well, the DCCC is right — this likely Republican victory is a referendum on the president. [...]
Well, the voters have spoken, and while the results are still pending, Republicans are confident that the final vote tallies will show those voters have rejected the president’s approach. [...]
The ground has shifted, and is shifting, as the voters become increasingly worried about Obamanomics. [...]
Tuesday’s election was a vote of "no confidence" in the Democrats’ tax, spend and borrow approach. I hope Obama and congressional Democrats are listening.
Tedisco conceded the election yesterday. I hope Michael Steele and the Republicans are listening. But they aren't.
Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:27 pm
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
The crazy continues:
GOP HOUSE MINORITY LEADER JOHN BOEHNER: George, the idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what they do, you’ve got more carbon dioxide.
A carcinogen? Who said that CO2 is a carcinogen? And cows fart methane, not CO2. Who is advising these clowns?
This is the new meme from Republicans. CO2 is natural, THEREFORE, how could is possibly be dangerous?
Witness Michelle Bacchman:
The Republican war on reality is always a marvel.
Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:05 pm
Gulli
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Worry more about who elected her Beeble.
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Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:13 pm
Caius
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Beeblebrox wrote:
The crazy continues:
GOP HOUSE MINORITY LEADER JOHN BOEHNER: George, the idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what they do, you’ve got more carbon dioxide.
A carcinogen? Who said that CO2 is a carcinogen? And cows fart methane, not CO2. Who is advising these clowns?
He didn't say that cows fart carbon dioxide. He said "do what they do" which could mean exhalation of CO2. Which would in fact make his statement true. I guess you could infer that he meant methane if that was the context from which he was speaking.
Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:06 pm
Beeblebrox
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Caius wrote:
He didn't say that cows fart carbon dioxide. He said "do what they do" which could mean exhalation of CO2. Which would in fact make his statement true. I guess you could infer that he meant methane if that was the context from which he was speaking.
First, if he was referring to exhaling he would have said exhaling because that's what he said with humans. And you can't infer that he meant methane when he SAID "carbon dioxide."
But even if I accept your feeble attempt at apologizing for GOP stupidity (again), the greater stupidity is the idea that because we exhale CO2 that it is automatically natural and therefore we shouldn't worry about the billions of tons of CO2 that we pour into the atmosphere every year through the burning of fossil fuels.
It's like saying that floods and tsunamis are nothing to worry about because, hey, water is necessary for life and so safe we can drink it.
But then, these are the same people who ridiculed "something called volcano monitoring" as "wasteful" spending about a week before a volcano in Alaska blew its top.
Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:32 pm
Caius
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Beeblebrox wrote:
But then, these are the same people who ridiculed "something called volcano monitoring" as "wasteful" spending about a week before a volcano in Alaska blew its top.
I hadn't heard that argument, but it is mostly wasteful spending. If volcanoes were constantly erupting, perhaps it might be wise spending. As it is, major eruptions aren't happening often in the U.S. to warrant much spending in the area.
Just because a volcano erupted recently (and hurt nobody and did nothing to the nearby pipeline) doesn't justify more spending on it.
Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:36 pm
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Caius wrote:
Just because a volcano erupted recently (and hurt nobody and did nothing to the nearby pipeline) doesn't justify more spending on it.
Volcano monitoring is what keeps casualties to a minimum during eruptions like Mt. St. Helens and Mt Redoubt. It's BECAUSE the eruptions are sporadic that you need to keep an eye on them. There are 169 active volcanoes in the US, with 54 posing a high or very high threat. Eruptions affect aviation and weather as well as direct threats from ash and pyroclastic flows.
They have to be monitored. And the funny thing is that Republicans didn't even know what it was. They just picked it at random and decided to make fun of it because it SOUNDED like wasteful spending. Then Mt Redoubt erupted soon after. What buffoons.
Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:54 pm
Jedi Master Carr
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
Caius wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
The crazy continues:
GOP HOUSE MINORITY LEADER JOHN BOEHNER: George, the idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what they do, you’ve got more carbon dioxide.
A carcinogen? Who said that CO2 is a carcinogen? And cows fart methane, not CO2. Who is advising these clowns?
He didn't say that cows fart carbon dioxide. He said "do what they do" which could mean exhalation of CO2. Which would in fact make his statement true. I guess you could infer that he meant methane if that was the context from which he was speaking.
You can't deny that they are stupid? I mean come on the point is humanity survives on Oxygen. We don't breath in CO2. Too much CO2 is a bad thing and would be the death on life. Venus is like that for example and nothing lives there.
Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:13 am
Beeblebrox
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Re: Republicans on the right track?
So they ridicule "something called volcano monitoring," and two weeks later a volcano explodes.
They ridicule "pandemic preparedness," cut funding for it and a few weeks later a swine flu outbreak occurs.
I wonder if the God Party is being sent a message by the Almighty. You can bet that if the Dems had done this, they'd be seeing it that way.
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