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I think having a high floor is way worse than a high ceiling in politcs, well it can and has helped an incumbent sometimes. So if between Biden and Trump, I see more as an advantage for Biden too. But without an incumbent, it's as far as I can remember always been the springy candidate to win over the one with the more established base. Trump, rightful or not due to the Dems efforts to bring him down, is just damaged goods and though I think 2 years is still a long time for things to change, it doesn't look good.


Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:18 am
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I think the question here needs to be why he was holding on to these documents.

I am starting to think pessimistically here again that it could be as simple as a ruse to force the FBI to search his home for these documents to create publicity for himself.

Or it could be something more nefarious.

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Trump has always been a mix of surprisingly smart and surprisingly dumb, I think this id the dumb side. I think he felt they were his personal property and called it a day.

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Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:34 am
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It really seems like the GOP is going in the direction of Ron DeSantis. The whole anti-woke movement is more of a DeSantis thing than a Trump thing and it is clear the whole flying migrants around the country is being done to put the spotlight on DeSantis and Abbott right now. Even look at Fox News, their focus is on immigration, the economy, and wokeness.

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I hope the Trump cultists wake up and realize Trump 2024 is handing the election to Dems on a silver platter


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I think that would be best for the country

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If the plan was to nominate someone non-controversial and win by default, DeSantis is not the guy

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Shack wrote:
If the plan was to nominate someone non-controversial and win by default, DeSantis is not the guy


There is no non controversial Republican that would win because of how it would drive down turnout as evidenced in 2012 when Republicans thought Romney could win due to Obama backlash. Desantis is obviously hated by leftists but not by moderates as he turned Florida from a swing state to a red state


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zwackerm wrote:
Shack wrote:
If the plan was to nominate someone non-controversial and win by default, DeSantis is not the guy


There is no non controversial Republican that would win because of how it would drive down turnout as evidenced in 2012 when Republicans thought Romney could win due to Obama backlash. Desantis is obviously hated by leftists but not by moderates as he turned Florida from a swing state to a red state


12 Obama is still a lot harder to beat than 82 year old Biden, Newsom or Harris, so 12 Romney as an average candidate wasn't enough to win, but the equivalent might be able to win 24. However it's unclear whether they have a non controversial candidate on the level of 12 Romney, and whether they can survive the primary to get there anyway.

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According to polls Trump would still be neck and neck with Biden in polling with 42-46 in the most recent poll favoring Biden, with aggregated polls favoring Trump 44-43. Not sure I believe that but we'll see


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5 is MAGA, 1 is RINO:

5 - Trump
4 - DeSantis
3 - Cruz
2 - Haley
1 - Romney

The ideal person to find the middle ground would be someone like Cruz but not actually him because of how unlikable he is. Maybe Hawley, Cotton and Noem are people in that zone and therefore sleepers.

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I would say Cruz is more MAGA than DeSantis

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