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 The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back 
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Regardless of what you feel about trying to make DC a state, it should be obvious there's only one reason the Democrats are interested in it, because it gives them 2 guaranteed senators. That's their psychological make-up these days. Everything is to gain power which is their crack, there's a reason they're talking about packing the court to give themselves complete power. The rest is excuses like painting everything with the race brush.
Says the people who just tried to overthrow the government cause they lost an election. :funny:

Also, the Pubs already stacked the court when they stole the Merrick Garland seat. If that didn’t happen there would be no talk about balancing the court since it is already balanced.

Also it makes no sense that DC should have zero senators while Dakota gets four. The only reason to oppose it is a power grab.


Wasn’t the whole point of DC that the Capitol not be in one of the states?

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The Democrats strategy

Take something they want (no voter ID, end filibuster, pack Supreme Court, making Washington DC a state, etc.) -----> find any way to connect it to race ------> call anyone who opposes it a Jim Crow racist

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Flava'd real name is Jim Crow?


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The voter ID law is actually reasonable. You should be carrying one of those around at all times.

What’s the point of opposing the rest though? It may benefit the Dems now, but the lack of filibuster, DC/PR statehood and balanced court with eventually help the Pubs too.

Also, its not like these racism accusations are just coming out of nowhere. Ya’ll were the ones who were marching around with nazi flags chanting ‘the jews will not replace us’ just a few years ago. There was a reason the KKK threw a victory parade for Trump

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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
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Regardless of what you feel about trying to make DC a state, it should be obvious there's only one reason the Democrats are interested in it, because it gives them 2 guaranteed senators. That's their psychological make-up these days. Everything is to gain power which is their crack, there's a reason they're talking about packing the court to give themselves complete power. The rest is excuses like painting everything with the race brush.
Says the people who just tried to overthrow the government cause they lost an election. :funny:

Also, the Pubs already stacked the court when they stole the Merrick Garland seat. If that didn’t happen there would be no talk about balancing the court since it is already balanced.

Also it makes no sense that DC should have zero senators while Dakota gets four. The only reason to oppose it is a power grab.


Wasn’t the whole point of DC that the Capitol not be in one of the states?
According to LMM, it was only put there so Thomas Jefferson would have a short commute to work. :P

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What’s the point of opposing the rest though? It may benefit the Dems now, but the lack of filibuster, DC/PR statehood and balanced court with eventually help the Pubs too.


Put it this way if a totalitarian party was in the Democrats position the two things they would want to do is end the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court which are the only two things limiting their power. Controlling the Supreme Court with their loyalists = It's over, they can do whatever they want. That was the tipping point in places like Venezuela I believe. They don't have to worry about the Republicans getting back in at that point, the goal would be to be in permanently whether ending elections or changing the rules so that it's impossible to lose. (ie getting rid of electoral college and adding tens of millions of amnestied illegal immigrant votes would get them pretty close to locking it up on its own) Add in taking away people's guns and using the shootings as an excuse to replace the city/state police with federal police and they could then crack down on any unrest over it.

The left doesn't see this as a risk because they're convinced no way their guys are the bad guys. I think it's a good idea to not take that chance or let either party have total power.

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But even with a 3 person expansion the supreme court would still be 6-6. Balanced. Not unethically stolen, like the current 6-3 set up is. The party in the white house usually does poorly in the midterms, so Pubs have a good chance of taking congress and then the lack of a filibuster will help them.

Meanwhile the Pubs think the main problem is that too many people are voting and are now trying to make it as difficult as possible. Someone can now get a year in prison for giving a bottle of water to someone standing in line to vote. That sounds a lot more totalatarian to me.

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They're not looking for just a 3 person expansion

The food/water thing isn't as bad as it sounds. I don't think people should be able to go up to a line of voters and say everyone gets a slice of pizza if you vote for our party.

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Neither party is out to make things balanced and fair. When the pendulum swings one way, the other party does what it can to swing it back in their favor and vice-versa. It's almost never balanced because it's all a power game, and we can just hope it's close.

Both are constantly doing things to favor themselves, so no one can say one party is less corrupt/power hungry than the other. The Reps don't have the House right now. So guess what? The 2020 Census gives them a good opportunity to take back the House in 2022 not by trying to appeal more to voters, but by playing the system from the mostly positive advantage they gained n the shift of seats gained/lost from the 2020 Census results. They're going to gerrymander the hell out of Texas, Florida, and North Carolina where they have full control to get those newly added 4 seats, and will almost certainly manage to cut a Dem seat in Ohio where they have the power of redistricting over as well.

Should one party control 43% (Reps) of the districts while another only controls 17% (Dems)? No. Should almost 2/3rds of all districts be controlled by one party or another? No. The simple solution here is to have an independent commission do it nationwide. And this pretty vast power advantage for the Reps means they're able to tip the scale of power that elects a President (the Electoral College) in their favor. But the biggest way to fix this very flawed system completely? Elect a leader by popular vote--the most basic process imaginable.

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The Republicans are not above doing things for their own political benefit, but they were not as interested in ending the filibuster, packing the court or packing the Senate (which is what the DC/PR move effectively is) when they had numbers 2017-2018.

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The Republicans are not above doing things for their own political benefit, but they were not as interested in ending the filibuster, packing the court or packing the Senate (which is what the DC/PR move effectively is) when they had numbers 2017-2018.


They didn't need to pack the court when they had the numbers because they had already stolen a seat.


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The Republicans are not above doing things for their own political benefit, but they were not as interested in ending the filibuster, packing the court or packing the Senate (which is what the DC/PR move effectively is) when they had numbers 2017-2018.


They didn't need to pack the court when they had the numbers because they had already stolen a seat.


They could have still gotten more stuff done if they had more seats especially with the way John Roberts is not really on their side anymore.

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Free Pre-K (should have been a thing long ago) and 2 years of community college for all? Yes, please.

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How about this for a supreme court balancing: instead of 3 more seats there will be only two. It’s better to have it as an odd number anyways, and conservatives will still have the majority like it should be (5-4 Cs if Garland is rightfully sworn in.) This can help Pubs make up for the travesty that was the Garland seat theft without losing anything. But it needs to be proposed by a conservative. We know that a logical proposal from a liberal will be rejected immediately just for the sake of obstruction.

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Joe Rogan going full anti-vaxxer has me wondering: when will he run for president? He’s a rich former gameshow host that is involved in combat sports and likes to spread conspiracies. Checks all the boxes. Could end up being a problem for DTJ in the 2028 primary.

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What's the opinion here among the conservative posters regarding the GOP voting (off record, mind you, couldn't even muster the courage to do that...) to remove Liz Cheney from her leadership position this morning?

Also, Cawthorn is proudly showing off his youngest member of Congress title today. Not usually a title one would want to flaunt like this, but here we are, I guess.



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Regardless of whether they ousted her cause of her views on the election or not, Liz Cheney is a globalist warhawk which is dead in Republican party

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Lol warhawks are dead? That sounds alot like the "jobs not mobs" slogan they used for the election and then January 6th happened...

Also, Idaho just signed a bill allowing hunters to kill 90% of the wolves in the state. NINETY PERCENT. We should kill 90% of the humans instead #NukeIdaho. This is exactly why Republicans shouldn't be given power. All they offer is death and discrimination.

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Regardless of whether they ousted her cause of her views on the election or not, Liz Cheney is a globalist warhawk which is dead in Republican party


Shack's digestion and subsequent regurgitation of the far-right vernacular strikes again

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Not a fan of Cheney but I don’t think she was disastrous enough not to wait for a primary to oust her.

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Not a fan of Cheney but I don’t think she was disastrous enough not to wait for a primary to oust her.


Isn't she just demoted from leadership position but still a member of congress?

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Not a fan of Cheney but I don’t think she was disastrous enough not to wait for a primary to oust her.


Isn't she just demoted from leadership position but still a member of congress?


I don’t know I didn’t read too deeply into it. I just saw she was removed from something.

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She was non-recorded voted out of her leadership position. Apparently, the shame and embarrassment was so high among the "yes" members that they didn't want their votes on record. Who knows how many actually voted for or against her losing her position.

I don't care for Cheney either, of course, but at least man up and do it professionally and respectfully if you're going to do it. But the House GOP is being overrun with frat boys like Gaetz and Jordan, and very child-like members like Cawthorn (given his youth, he should watch out for Gaetz AND Jordan), so all that's being thrown out the window with this "new" GOP (they should just rename themselves).

And I'm all for them using their time and resources to try and primary Cheney, and any of their other members not apart of their "this girl, errr, woman, I fucked was a 10!" fraternity, next year.

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Lol warhawks are dead? That sounds alot like the "jobs not mobs" slogan they used for the election and then January 6th happened...
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Maybe dying is a better word than dead.

Liz's goal is to go back to the Bush, McCain, Cheney type of Republicans but that would be suicide. Pro big government (spending/surveillance) + bombing countries and outdated views on things like gay marriage? What's the point? It was never Trump that killed the young vote for Republicans, it was THEM and people who grew up in the Bush era, by 2016 the Republicans were dead to millennials already. If they went back to that they just become the network TV procedural in a Netflix era.

Trumpism scares the Democrats and their media lapdogs more cause he's their best chance at a comeback for young people and minorities (yes minorities) because there are actually valid reasons to support the Republicans now beyond just socially conservative views that go back generations. They can now say they are pro freedom over lockdowns and censorship, pro nationalism and capitalism over socialism and globalism, pro populist working class over elites and corporate interests, pro peace deals over endless wars, pro police over rioters and criminals, pro colorblindness over anti-white racism and critical race theory, pro biological women's rights, etc.

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