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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/ ... index.html

Disapprove: 76%
Approve: 24%

Even despite Bush's trackrecord of breaking (the worst) records, these numbers are shocking.

Its not so bad if you look at it in terms of 1 in 4 approving.
That means only three people in the group disapprove.
Three people aren't many.

Yeah I guess you're right. I mean we complained about Wasilla being small and it has a population of 5,400! That's way more than 3. Sometimes our liberal blindness scares me.

This is aboslutely shocking.

Who the heck are these 24% who approve of Bush's job? Are they senile or just not paying attention? What more does the man have to screw up for these people to think that maybe he's a failure?

As bad as that is, it's not all a statement on Bush, rather, a statement on how disenfranchised people are with the government. Just a few months ago Congress' approval rating was 19% ...

People are fed up, and not just with Bush. I wish the best to Obama, and I think he's done nothing but the right thing since winning, but you just watch how quickly people jump on his case if he doesn't deliver.

Those who still approve of Bush probably support outsourcing, high-income tax breaks, Christian-Right agendas, gun owner's Rights, and suppressing those who are assumed to be Heathens and Muslims.
It would be interesting to see whether Bush's approval rating drops among his remaining supporters after today's meeting with Obama.

It's basically evangelicals and neocons. It's the Jesus Camp nuts and those who still pay attention to Bill Kristol.

It's conservatives who feel Bush is better than what the left had to offer at the time. Bush has faced more than any president since my birth, and while he failed in numerous areas, I believe before it's over history will look on him far more favorably than the majority of Americans do now.

Certainly not.

I think there are some people who do not want to believe that they voted for and defended the worst president in history, so there's a bit of wishful thinking that he will be remembered better than he's perceived today.

But unless Iraq turns into some shining wonderland of Oz, I don't see how that can happen. He's already presided over a destroyed economy and it's way too late for him to fix that. The economy under his presidency created half as many jobs in 8 years that Carter created in 4. The budget went from a surplus to a deficit so large that the national debt more than doubled in 8 years, from $5 trillion to $11 trillion. He decimated FEMA with the kind of cronyism and incompetence that have marked his entire administration. Harriet Myers? Please. Despite a ballooning of the military budgets, troops are stretched almost to teh breaking point, with deployments extended to 15 months. And his political adviser's name, Rove, is now synonymous with the worst kind of slimy gutter politics and division of the electorate. Then there's the torture, the wiretapping, suspending habeas corpus, et al.

It's not all bad. I supported Bush's stand on immigration, which I still think is the only really viable solution. But that went no where. And one or two accomplishments simply can't overcome the severe and debilitating shortcomings. If he's not the worst, he's absolutely in the bottom three.

In now defending Bush who is definitely the worst president next to Buchanan(I would say Nixon but he did do some great things along with the horrible things) but you know that Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus.

Congress retroactively suspended Habeas corpus for Lincoln (yea, I know he suspended it before that). Congress has NEVER suspended Habeas corpus for Bush.

Lincoln actually faced a "rebellion or invasion" as D.C. was in the South. It is actually permissible and constitutional to suspend the writ.

Probably not. Why do you think so? What were his accomplishments?

History will show that:

He took the election under suspcious circumstances and was placed there by a contested US Supreme Court decision
He won both elections by running two of the most negative campaigns ever
The United States took its most severe attack since Pearl Harbor during his tenure
He took a surplus and turned it into the US's biggest debt ever
He started a war based on lies
He suspended basic rights of Americans
He gave no-bid contracts to his friends in Iraq and Afghanistan which ripped off the US to billions of dollars, some of which no one knows where it went
He destroyed his party causing the democrats to gain control over all three branches
He was so incompetent he couldn't deal with Katrina
His administration was full of corruption and people who were either incompetent or hostile to the responsibilities they were supposed to carry out
He issued signing statements claiming he was above the law
The conservative Supreme Court had to tell him at least four times that he did not have the power he claimed and he basically ignored them each time

.... that was just off the top of my head. Seriously, what accomplishments has he made? Lowering taxes on rich people??

Just to clarify, the issue during this time was not whether it should have been granted (since the Constitution specifically allows it to be during rebellion or invasion as you stated) but whether the President can do so. The Supreme Court at the time rightly noted that only Congress can do so, and then they did.

Bush, of course, ignored 100 year old precedent and did it himself, without Congress. But then again, he doesn't read much.

100% agree. Congress just used a legal fiction to get around the ruling and make Lincoln's actions before the case (Maryton?) kosher.

Just so you know I had worse than usual typo. I meant to say I am not defending Bush not In now defending Bush.
I was saying that Suspending Habeas Corpus had been done before and it was questionable then.