When the Republicans come back from the wilderness...
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Groucho
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gardenia.11/14.... wrote: Raffiki wrote: Are there any studies or trends that show one party winning out with the younger generation overall?
I'd assume it would be the Dems but re-electing W really makes me rethink that. The most amazing political chart I ever saw talked about this.. They found like an 80% correlation based on who was leading the country when an individual was around 12 years of age.. So it's not young/old, it's who was in power in your early 'formative years'.. and then we tend to vote the same way.. For me it's Eisenhower.. An amazing analysis.. We like who we grew-up with.. Nothing changes us that much.. Not age, for sure.. Cheers...... When I was 12 years old, Nixon was in power. So much for that theory! 
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Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:45 pm |
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Floydboy
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Part of an interview with Ron Paul and his thoughts of the Republican party Quote: Roberts: Well, regardless of what we talk about this morning, the Dow is going to go off a cliff again today so let me turn to politics if I could.
A lot of people have said, particularly because of the economy, this is a bad year to be a Republican. John McCain behind in the national polls, seems to be behind in the battleground states as well. He's got a long and difficult road if he hopes to win the Oval Office.
If Republicans really take a beating, Congressman Paul, on November the 4th, where does that leave the Republican brand?
Paul: Well, I think they're in big trouble, but I think I mentioned that a year or so ago, that they've sort of lost their way. No, it's going to be a lot worse, but you have to say that the markets aren't being reassured about the obvious victory that's going to occur.
Then they said, "Oh, my, you know, we're going to have Obama and a Democratic Congress stronger than ever so things are going to get a lot better." They haven't discounted that yet.
The country is in a mess regardless, but I think the Republican Party really in a mess because ...
Roberts: I mean, I mean how ...
Paul: ... they'll probably lose a fair amount of seats again.
Roberts: How bad a blow could it be and how long might it take the party to rebuild?
Paul: You know, I was first elected -- I first ran in 1974, and I think there were about 145 members of Congress, Republicans, then. It took 20 years. So that is the case.
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:16 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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A glimmer of hope? Alan Greenspan, Republican and one of the chief architects of the deregulation economy had come to terms with the fact, and ADMITTED that he was wrong. It's one thing to admit a mistake, but to confess that your worldview was deeply flawed is something else.
"I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organizations, specifically banks and others, were such as that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms. I have found a flaw. I don’t know how significant or permanent it is. But I have been very distressed by that fact,†- Alan Greenspan
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:04 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Marc Ambinder opines:
"To the extent that geography correlates with ideology among congressional Republicans, a major sweep by the Democrats could really be in a position to completely break the gluons that bind the broader party together. The GOP will lose a disportionate number of seats in the Northeast, Midwest and West and keep a disrportionate number of seats in the South. So the remnant of the party, as it were, will be right-wing Southern conservatives.... even more so that it is now.
Additionally, if there's an enormous Democratic sweep, the odds of a reverse sweep two years from now are slim. 2010 won't be like 1994, where Republicans allegedly punished a Democratic Congress and president for the health care debacle and gays in the military. (Would the nation dump 70-80 Republicans over two years only to return them to power two years later?) "
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:19 pm |
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Floydboy
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The 2008 election hasn't even happened but the 2012 campaign has (conditionally) started already - not including the false reports of Rudy Guliani putting his name out for 2012. Newsweek has an article--and there will soon be more--about what will happen to the Republican Party if Obama wins. The evangelical faction will no doubt complain that they lost because McCain was a moderate (although his voting record suggests otherwise) and what they need next time is a attractive 100% dyed-in-the-wool conservative who opposes everything from abortion to polar bears. What they want is to have 2012 be a full-blown culture war. Quote: For several years, conservative intellectuals have argued that, to survive, the party needs to adapt its economic message to address the insecurities of the culturally conservative working class. This populist GOP, they argue, would offer more than just the pro-life, anti-tax party. It would offer a vision of how limited government can promote strong families and grow the middle class. The intelligentsia look at Republican governors such as Louisiana's Bobby Jindal and Minnesota's Tim Pawlentyâ€â€thoughtful conservatives who have a touch with the common manâ€â€and see reasons for hope. But what the intellectuals have not always acknowledged is that there is an easier, if less utopian, way to speak to the anxieties of working America: full-fledged culture war. The big-business wing of the party is appalled by this narrow stance and wants to have a candidate who will run on tax cuts, such as Mitt Romney.
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:49 am |
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Jim Halpert
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2016 can come soon enough for us real conservatives and Bobby Jindal.
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:03 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Jim Halpert wrote: 2016 can come soon enough for us real conservatives and Bobby Jindal. His religious fundamentalism worries me a little, but we'll see how he does as governor first. Hopefully he governs more from the fiscal conservative side than the cultural conservative side, although he has already passed a law allowing the teaching of intelligent design in school.
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:34 pm |
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Mannyisthebest
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Well it all depends.
If Obama leans liberal during his reign, I expect the Republicans to easily come back....
With Newt Gingrich types very quickly.
I see the Republicans taking control by 2016 by the earliest.
If Obama is the next Jimmy Carter then he won't win again.
Republican movement is long from dead, like or not its just sleeping now. Obama just has to make sure the elephant stays quite with leading a moderate govt.
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Beeblebrox
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Our hopes of a chastened Republican party of fiscal conservatives emerging from the darkness diminishes with each passing day. Via Tapped: After Obama's victory, conservatives have begun licking their wounds and thoughtfully preparing a new, compelling policy agenda focused on competence, fiscal responsibility, a modest foreign policy, and the needs of the middle class:
Quote: RedState is pleased to announce it is engaging in a special project: Operation Leper.
We're tracking down all the people from the McCain campaign now whispering smears against Governor Palin to Carl Cameron and others. Michelle Malkin has the details.
We intend to constantly remind the base about these people, monitor who they are working for, and, when 2012 rolls around, see which candidates hire them. Naturally then, you'll see us go to war against those candidates.
Because what the Republican Party needs is more crazy. And a blacklist.And more stupid. They've pushed away intellectuals, moderates, the youth, Jews, old people, women, blacks, hispanics, suburbanites, urbanites, etc. And they wonder why they're the party of evangelical southern white men.
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:27 pm |
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Mannyisthebest
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About young people, I remember young people loved Ronald Regan considering you had such great figures as Walter Mondale leading the other side. lol.
However things are way different and the fact the GOP has ignored young people, will cost them big time for a long time.
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:11 pm |
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Beeblebrox
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Glenn Beck today: "I mean, I have to tell you if I heard once, I heard 1,000 times from people, and I never said this, never said this on the air because you just don’t say these things, but I heard a million times from people, “I’m going to vote for John McCain and, you know, I mean, he’s old. Maybe we get Sarah Palin in the first term.'"
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Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:56 pm |
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Floydboy
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Mannyisthebest wrote: About young people, I remember young people loved Ronald Regan considering you had such great figures as Walter Mondale leading the other side. lol.
However things are way different and the fact the GOP has ignored young people, will cost them big time for a long time. I think what is going to cost them more is the amount of Latinos that are supporting Obama/the Democratic Party. Seeming that they are the fastest growing demographic in the states and in the future will represent more and more of the country, the Republicans can be in a for a very long stay in the wilderness if they don't address them.
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Beeblebrox
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Floydboy wrote: I think what is going to cost them more is the amount of Latinos that are supporting Obama/the Democratic Party. Seeming that they are the fastest growing demographic in the states and in the future will represent more and more of the country, the Republicans can be in a for a very long stay in the wilderness if they don't address them. I think it's really difficult to pin down. With their strategy of targeting white southern Christianist whackos, Republicans have alienated EVERY other demographic. It's really quite something to behold.
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Floydboy
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Beeblebrox wrote: Floydboy wrote: I think what is going to cost them more is the amount of Latinos that are supporting Obama/the Democratic Party. Seeming that they are the fastest growing demographic in the states and in the future will represent more and more of the country, the Republicans can be in a for a very long stay in the wilderness if they don't address them. I think it's really difficult to pin down. With their strategy of targeting white southern Christianist whackos, Republicans have alienated EVERY other demographic. It's really quite something to behold. That is very true. I was thinking however of what demographic would be able to bring out the Republicans from the wilderness more easily than any other and I think it would be the Latinos. Of course the Republicans would have to change/adapt some of their current viewpoints (ie illegal immigration, health care and especially the war in Iraq), but by sure numbers that could help them. On the other hand there may be other demographics that require less adaption..
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Floydboy wrote: That is very true. I was thinking however of what demographic would be able to bring out the Republicans from the wilderness more easily than any other and I think it would be the Latinos. Of course the Republicans would have to change/adapt some of their current viewpoints (ie illegal immigration, health care and especially the war in Iraq), but by sure numbers that could help them. On the other hand there may be other demographics that require less adaption.. I don't think that strategy of targeting demographics and divisiveness is the answer. That's what got them where they are in the first place. These so-called wedge issues to tear apart the electorate into factions. Obama's key was including everyone in the hope and change meme because the economic collapse affects everyone, the war affects everyone. Republicans need a cultural enema.
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