Bayh's a piece of shit.

Russ Feingold's the only true hero in the Senate.

On this bill at any rate, totally agreed.

I don't have a problem with the bill except for the Telecommunication part. I don't agree with that, but there wasn't much choice otherwise there would be no way to keep an eye on terrorists. And stop with the Democrat traitors bull crap. In Politics that kind of talk doesn't exist.

That's simply untrue. The original FISA law allowed for wiretapping, even wiretapping without a warrant as long as one was obtained after the fact.

The original FISA law went after the Mob and drug cartels. That was the purpose of it. I think it would have to be updated for the digital age. I consider myself liberal and I really have no problem with it.

I just don't understand why Obama would vote for it, what would he have to gain assuming this was more a political move than his true beliefs. I've heard that this is sloppily worded and only pertains to civil cases. (Thank you Keith), If so I hope that Obama comes out and says he would plan to exploit this.

The immunity only pertains to civil cases. There is no need to immunize them from criminal charges because the president can pardon anyone he wants for any reason. And the expectation is that Bush will pre-pardon the telcos against any potential criminal charges before he leaves office.



The wishful thinking is that Obama as president would advocate a challenge of the constitutional validity of the law. I'm not so sure about that. Nor can I make sense of Obama's stance for purely political gain. Given that he voted repeatedly for amendments stripping the telco immunity, Obama must simply have felt that this was a workable and practical compromise even if the immunity couldn't be taken out of it.

I think it's a bad law and I disagree with him on that for sure.