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Some Obama supporter was just asked on MSNBC if he could name ONE piece of legislature that Obama has passed in the Senate, and the guy was speechless. all he could say was that Barack is inspirational. Chris from Hardball was priceless.


I missed it :( what did Chris say?

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Some Obama supporter was just asked on MSNBC if he could name ONE piece of legislature that Obama has passed in the Senate, and the guy was speechless. all he could say was that Barack is inspirational. Chris from Hardball was priceless.

I saw it the guy was just very unprepared and I think it makes him look worse than Obama.
Now Hillary has to win both Ohio and Texas and if she loses one she is finished. I wouldn't be shocked if Obama sweeps all 4 in two weeks really. Hillary is a sinking ship right now. That speech of hers was terrible. First she doesn't concede and then she goes on and on in her boring rhetoric. The question is if she gets beat in Ohio and Texas would she keep going?


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No Country for Sam wrote:
Some Obama supporter was just asked on MSNBC if he could name ONE piece of legislature that Obama has passed in the Senate, and the guy was speechless. all he could say was that Barack is inspirational. Chris from Hardball was priceless.

I saw it the guy was just very unprepared and I think it makes him look worse than Obama.
Now Hillary has to win both Ohio and Texas and if she loses one she is finished. I wouldn't be shocked if Obama sweeps all 4 in two weeks really. Hillary is a sinking ship right now. That speech of hers was terrible. First she doesn't concede and then she goes on and on in her boring rhetoric. The question is if she gets beat in Ohio and Texas would she keep going?


1. Obama doesn't even need to win either of those states anymore. He just needs to keep the margin close.

2. If she loses TX and OH then she should stop wasting peoples money and get out of the way.

3. Although I don't think Obama can sweep the 4 upcoming states, I also wouldn't be surprised if he did.

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Jedi Master Carr wrote:
No Country for Sam wrote:
Some Obama supporter was just asked on MSNBC if he could name ONE piece of legislature that Obama has passed in the Senate, and the guy was speechless. all he could say was that Barack is inspirational. Chris from Hardball was priceless.

I saw it the guy was just very unprepared and I think it makes him look worse than Obama.
Now Hillary has to win both Ohio and Texas and if she loses one she is finished. I wouldn't be shocked if Obama sweeps all 4 in two weeks really. Hillary is a sinking ship right now. That speech of hers was terrible. First she doesn't concede and then she goes on and on in her boring rhetoric. The question is if she gets beat in Ohio and Texas would she keep going?


If she wins one of the two, she would continue, she shouldn't, but would.

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Obama's Wisc. lead has stretched to 58% over Hillary's 41%.


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Obama's Wisc. lead has stretched to 58% over Hillary's 41%.


Yeah, pretty amazing; look like the polls underestimated the turnout of Independents. And Ohio is an open primary too.

And although just for cosmetic measure, Obama won Washington primary, preventing Clinton from any kind of caucus vs. primary claims.

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Wow, wasnt Obama down in polls form January? More importantly, most had his lead at 3-4%.

Again, a win by 17% with little blacks? Has Hillarys support really shifted THAT much?

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Exit polls show more women voters than men and fewer college graduates than in previous primaries. Both of those bode well for Hillary.


Appearently its the opposite.

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It's all irrelevant. Texas, Ohio and PA are the real states. Clinton needs all 3, and should get them.


No, its not. His pledged delegate lead is nearing 150. To top it, she needs big wins which probably arent coming.

She lead in Wisconsin a month ago, its a state full of democrats who are older, white, and female. ALL that favor her. She was down in most polls by 5% give or take 1-2% points.

She lost by 17%.

If Texas or Ohio polls show Obama within 10%, it will be within 3-5% difference which wont be near enough for Hillary.

Again, his pledged delegate lead is nearing 150 and his total delegate lead is in the 70
s, his popular vote lead is now in excess of 1 million, he has twice as many states.

How can she top it? Someone explain it to me. She needs BIG wins in both Texas and Ohio. Someone explain how she gets it.

Current super delegates included, undecided ones not, Hillary needs to capture 61% of the remaining pledged delegates, which would mean BVarrack is getting 37-38% of them-to regain the lead.

Someone tell me how she comes back.

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Yeah, pretty amazing; look like the polls underestimated the turnout of Independents. And Ohio is an open primary too.

Both Ohio and Texas are open primaries. That does not bode well for Clinton, given Ohio is demographically similar to Wisconsin (albeit with three times as many black people).

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xiayun wrote:
Yeah, pretty amazing; look like the polls underestimated the turnout of Independents. And Ohio is an open primary too.

Both Ohio and Texas are open primaries. That does not bode well for Clinton, given Ohio is demographically similar to Wisconsin (albeit with three times as many black people).


And around a week ago you had a couple of newspaper guys from Texas on Chris Matthews show who said white men in Texas hate Hillary, even the Democrats.


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Like I've been saying for a while now, Obama has this all wrapped up. With the current delegate lead and all the momentum, he isn't going to fall behind. He continues to out pace and out do polling.

However, I can see why Clinton or any candidate in her place wouldn't drop out. Even though I think Obama has it sewn up based on being way ahead in the momentum department, technically speaking, the delegate numbers are still very close. So, in theory, Clinton is still very much in when considering raw numbers, and not momentum, debates, media coverage, and so on. So, if she were to drop out, there would be a bunch of "what ifs" on whether she might have been able to turn it around. But I think Obama has been able to master all those other factors, so unfortunately for me, Clinton won't be winning.

But fortunately for me, the Democrats in any situation, are going to dominate the elections in November. And I can't wait.

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Barack is winning Hawaii 77% to 23% at the moment. 10 in a row. :thumbsup:


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No Country for Sam wrote:
Some Obama supporter was just asked on MSNBC if he could name ONE piece of legislature that Obama has passed in the Senate, and the guy was speechless. all he could say was that Barack is inspirational. Chris from Hardball was priceless.


Yeah, I saw that. What an idiot. It's not that there isn't an answer, it's just that people aren't prepared. I mean, if he had asked that woman the same question about Hillary, she might have also stumbled.

The first thing that comes to mind to me is the massive ethics bill Obama pushed through (by working with McCain, ironically!). Nothing to sneeze at there.

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