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Post Re: Sight and Sound 2012 Poll (there is a new best film ever
torrino wrote:

I mean, there's a reason he was named director of Batman in the first place...


Well, Marc Webb was given The Amazing Spider-Man and Sam Raimi was given the first Spider-Man. That doesn't mean (500) Days of Summer or Evil Dead would rank among the Top 10 favorite movies of general audiences.

Besides, you pointed out yourself:

"To be honest, I think more have seen Memento than T2 or, say, Reservoir Dogs among people our age."

That is true. OUR AGE. We're not talking about people just our age here, though.

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Post Re: Sight and Sound 2012 Poll (there is a new best film ever
boring (uninsightful) poll


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I doubt that Mememto has been widely seen.

Amoung GA, if a film comes on TV they do not go on IMDB to rate it...

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i think imdb is pretty universal these days. there's a reason amazon bought it. not saying common folk use it, but it's probably more reflective of 'generic american' tastes than you both give it credit for.


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Can we all just agree that The Searchers isn't John Ford's "searing critique of racism" or whatever nonsense Bogdanovich and Scorsese and the rest like to graft onto it. It's just racist.

And not very good

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Here's a good article on the S&S poll from Jim Emerson at the Chicago Sun-Times:

Greatest Films of All Time: Where's the funny?

It's titular point is a great one - - the lack of comedies is tragic. Of course, the same can be said about the Academy Awards. And who can forget that we live in times so stern, even our superhero movies have to be grim slogs.


The second point I liked in the article is summed up in the following quote:
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"I'm very glad that critics aren't simply glomming onto films and filmmakers because they are "new." Yes, we know these lists are kind of silly (what are the 50 Greatest Paintings of All Time?), and there are only so many slots available, but it's healthy to remember that a great movie remains a great movie, no matter when it was made. Still, I'm a little bit surprised not to see Robert Altman, Roman Polanski, Sam Peckinpah, Joel & Ethan Coen, Eric Rohmer, Wim Wenders, Steven Spielberg or Krzystof Kieslowski in the Top 50 -- or, among the established pantheon directors, Howard Hawks, Luis Buñuel, Max Ophuls, Ernst Lubitsch, Josef von Sternberg, Preston Sturges or American films by Fritz Lang, to name a few. Most of these directors have a number of masterpieces to their name, so maybe (as is often the case in these contests) the votes were split among too many titles."


And finally, his brief overview of the evolution of the poll over time lends it a sweet perspective.


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2022 list

1. “Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxel” (Chantal Akerman, 1975)
2. “Vertigo” (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958)
3. “Citizen Kane” (Orson Welles, 1941)
4. “Tokyo Story” (Ozu Yasujiro, 1953)
5. “In the Mood for Love, Wong Kar-wai, 2001)
6. “2001: A Space Odyssey” (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)
7. “Beau travail” (Claire Denis, 1998)
8. “Mulholland Dr.” (David Lynch, 2001)
9. “Man with a Movie Camera” (Dziga Vertov, 1929)
10. “Singin’ in the Rain” (Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly, 1951)
11. “Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans” (F.W. Murnau, 1927)
12. “The Godfather” (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972)
13. “La Règle du Jeu” (Jean Renoir, 1939)
14. “Cléo from 5 to 7” (Agnès Varda, 1962)
15. “The Searchers” (John Ford, 1956)
16. “Meshes of the Afternoon” (Maya Deren and Alexander Hammid, 1943)
17. “Close-Up” (Abbas Kiarostami, 1989)
18. “Persona” (Ingmar Bergman, 1966)
19. “Apocalypse Now” (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979)
20. “Seven Samurai” (Akira Kurosawa, 1954)
21. (TIE) “The Passion of Joan of Arc” (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1927)
21. (TIE) “Late Spring” (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949)
23. “Playtime” (Jacques Tati, 1967)
24. “Do the Right Thing” (Spike Lee, 1989)
25. (TIE) “Au Hasard Balthazar” (Robert Bresson, 1966)
25. (TIE) The Night of the Hunter” (Charles Laughton, 1955)
27. “Shoah” (Claude Lanzmann, 1985)
28. “Daisies” (Věra Chytilová, 1966)
29. “Taxi Driver” (Martin Scorsese, 1976)
30. “Portrait of a Lady on Fire” (Céline Sciamma, 2019)
31. (TIE) “Mirror” (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1975)
31. (TIE) “8½” (Federico Fellini, 1963)
31. (TIE) “Psycho” (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960)
34. “L’Atalante” (Jean Vigo, 1934)
35. “Pather Panchali” (Satyajit Ray, 1955)
36. (TIE) “City Lights” (Charlie Chaplin, 1931)
36. (TIE) “M” (Fritz Lang, 1931)
38. (TIE) “À bout de souffle” (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960)
38. (TIE) “Some Like It Hot” (Billy Wilder, 1959)
38. (TIE) “Rear Window” (Alfred Hitchcock, 1954)
41. (TIE) “Bicycle Thieves” (Vittorio De Sica, 1948)
41. (TIE) “Rashomon” (Akira Kurosawa, 1950)
43. (TIE) “Stalker” (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1979)
43. (TIE) “Killer of Sheep” (Charles Burnett, 1977)
45. (TIE) “North by Northwest” (Alfred Hitchcock, 1959)
45. (TIE) “The Battle of Algiers” (Gillo Pontecorvo, 1966)
45. (TIE) “Barry Lyndon” (Stanley Kubrick, 1975)
48. (TIE) “Wanda” (Barbara Loden, 1970)
48. (TIE) “Ordet” (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1955)
50. (TIE) “The 400 Blows” (François Truffaut, 1959)
50. (TIE) “The Piano” (Jane Campion, 1992)
52. (TIE) “News from Home” (Chantal Akerman, 1976)
52. (TIE) “Fear Eats the Soul” (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1974)
54. (TIE) “The Apartment” (Billy Wilder, 1960)
54. (TIE) “Battleship Potemkin” (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925)
54. (TIE) “Sherlock Jr.” (Buster Keaton, 1924)
54. (TIE) “Le Mépris” (Jean-Luc Godard 1963)
54. (TIE) “Blade Runner” (Ridley Scott 1982)
59. “Sans soleil” (Chris Marker 1982)
60. (TIE) “Daughters of the Dust” (Julie Dash 1991)
60. (TIE) “La dolce vita” (Federico Fellini 1960)
60. (TIE) “Moonlight” (Barry Jenkins 2016)
63. (TIE) “Casablanca” (Michael Curtiz 1942)
63. (TIE) “GoodFellas” (Martin Scorsese 1990)
63. (TIE) “The Third Man” (Carol Reed 1949)
66. “Touki Bouki (Djibril Diop Mambéty 1973)
67. (TIE) “The Gleaners and I” (Agnès Varda 2000)
67. (TIE) “Metropolis” (Fritz Lang 1927)
67. (TIE) “Andrei Rublev” (Andrei Tarkovsky 1966)
67. (TIE) “The Red Shoes” (Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger 1948)
67. (TIE) “La Jetée” (Chris Marker 1962)
72. (TIE) “My Neighbour Totoro” (Miyazaki Hayao 1988)
72. (TIE) “Journey to Italy” (Roberto Rossellini 1954)
72. (TIE) “L’avventura” (Michelangelo Antonioni 1960)
75. (TIE) “Imitation of Life” (Douglas Sirk 1959)
75. (TIE) “Sansho the Bailiff” (Mizoguchi Kenji 1954)
75. (TIE) “Spirited Away” (Miyazaki Hayao 2001)
78. (TIE) “A Brighter Summer Day” (Edward Yang 1991)
78. (TIE) “Sátántangó” (Béla Tarr 1994)
78. (TIE) “Céline and Julie Go Boating” (Jacques Rivette 1974)
78. (TIE) “Modern Times “(Charlie Chaplin 1936)
78. (TIE) “Sunset Blvd.” (Billy Wilder 1950)
78. (TIE) “A Matter of Life and Death” (Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger 1946)
84. (TIE) “Blue Velvet” (David Lynch 1986)
84. (TIE) “Pierrot le fou” (Jean-Luc Godard 1965)
84. (TIE) “Histoire(s) du cinéma” (Jean-Luc Godard 1988-1998)
84. (TIE) “The Spirit of the Beehive” (Victor Erice, 1973)
88. (TIE) “The Shining” (Stanley Kubrick, 1980)
88. (TIE) “Chungking Express” (Wong Kar Wai, 1994)
90. (TIE) “Madame de…” (Max Ophüls, 1953)
90. (TIE) “The Leopard” (Luchino Visconti, 1962)
90. (TIE) “Ugetsu” (Mizoguchi Kenji, 1953)
90. (TIE) “Parasite” (Bong Joon Ho, 2019)
90. (TIE) “Yi Yi” (Edward Yang, 1999)
95. (TIE) “A Man Escaped” (Robert Bresson, 1956)
95. (TIE) “The General” (Buster Keaton, 1926)
95. (TIE) “Once upon a Time in the West” (Sergio Leone, 1968)
95. (TIE) “Get Out” (Jordan Peele, 2017)
95. (TIE) “Black Girl” (Ousmane Sembène, 1965)
95. (TIE) “Tropical Malady” (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2004)

Jeanne Dielman from 35th on the 2012 list to 1st in an obvious virtue signal. You'd think they could have just picked Tokyo Story since it was at least 3rd last time and would still be a representation pick. I haven't seen Jeanne Dielmann but it sounds like it's just her in her house looking sad and cooking and doing dishes and stuff most of the movie.

Parasite, Moonlight, Get Out and Portrait of a Lady on Fire as the movies after 2012 to make the list and In the Mood for Love and Mulholland Dr are the leaders for post 2000 overall.

AFI did 100 years, 100 movies in 1998. Therefore if they're going to do a new list 2023 would be a good year to do it as top 125 movies for 125 years, or 25th anniversary of the original list.

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I think we can all agree there have been better films than....... Parasite, Moonlight, Get Out and Portrait of a Lady on Fire....... after 2012

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The Directors poll which is a little better

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. Citizen Kane
3. The Godfather
4. Tokyo Story
4. Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles
6. Vertigo
6. 8½
8. Mirror
9. Persona
9. In The Mood For Love
9. Close-Up
12. Taxi Driver
12. Barry Lyndon
14. Beau Travail
14. Seven Samurai
14. Breathless
14. Stalker
18. Apocalypse Now
19. A Woman Under the Influence
20. Rashomon
20. Bicycle Thieves
22. The Battle of Algiers
22. Mulholland Dr
22. Pather Panchali
22. Raging Bull
26. Andrei Rublev
26. The Godfather, Part II
28. GoodFellas
29. Do The Right Thing
30. Ordet
30. The Passion of Joan of Arc
30. Man With A Movie Camera
33. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
34. The 400 Blows
34. La Jetée
34. La Dolce Vita
37. Au Hasard Balthazar
38. La Strada
38. The Rules of the Game
38. L'Avventura
41. PlayTime
41. The Night of the Hunter
41. A Man Escaped
41. Vagabond
41. Come and See
46. Contempt
46. Once Upon a Time in the West
46. City Lights
46. L'Atalante
46. Psycho
46. Dr. Strangelove
46. Don't Look Now
53. The Mother and the Whore
53. SIngin' in the Rain
53. La Notte
53. The Piano
53. Ali: Fear Eats The SouL
53. Viridiana
53. Clèo From 5 to 7
53. Fanny and Alexander
53. Eraserhead
62. Late Spring
62. Meshes of the Afternoon
62. Sunset Blvd
62. La Ciénega
62. Sátántangó
62. Tropical Malady
62. Blade Runner
62. Lawrence of Arabia
62. Some Like It Hot
62. Jaws
72. Chinatown
72. The Seventh Seal
72. Ikiru
72. L'Argent
72. The Conversation
72. Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom
72. A Separation
72. Kes
72. Where is the Friend's House?
72. The Searchers
72. Touki Bouki
72. A Brighter Summer Day
72. Sans Soleil
72. Modern Times
72. News From Home
72. Blue Velvet
72. The Spirit of the Beehive
72. Shoah
72. Wild Strawberries
72. The Red Shoes
72. The Ascent
93. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
93. Moonlight
93. The Colour of Pomegranates
93. The Conformist
93. Caché
93. Parasite
93. Taste of Cherry
93. Wanda
93. Battleship Potemkin
93. Pickpocket
93. Yi Yi
93. Throne of Blood

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