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Oppenheimer is a 2023 epic biographical thriller film written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan. It is based on the 2005 biography American Prometheus by Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin about J. Robert Oppenheimer, a theoretical physicist who was pivotal in developing the first nuclear weapons as part of the Manhattan Project. The film stars Cillian Murphy as the title character, with a supporting ensemble cast including Emily Blunt, Matt Damon, Robert Downey Jr., Florence Pugh, Josh Hartnett, Casey Affleck, Rami Malek, and Kenneth Branagh.

Oppenheimer premiered at Le Grand Rex in Paris on July 11, 2023 and was released in the United Kingdom and United States on July 21, 2023, by Universal Pictures.

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Thought it rocked. Didn't mind the runtime and just well made overall. Excited to see what Nolan does next.


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Thought it rocked. Didn't mind the runtime and just well made overall. Excited to see what Nolan does next.


where did you see it(Imax, 70mm etc) and how did the audience react?

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publicenemy#1 wrote:
Thought it rocked. Didn't mind the runtime and just well made overall. Excited to see what Nolan does next.


where did you see it(Imax, 70mm etc) and how did the audience react?

Unfortunately saw it at my local fake Imax lol but it still did the job fine

The thing that got the most reaction was
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and some laughs from some of the dialogue. When it ended it was totally silent, think more out of awe since the ending does hit strong.


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why are FP nude scenes so reaction worthy?

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Mmm I mean it was just people murmrring in my audience, probably just weren't expecting a sex scene I guess idk


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Thank god for the sex scenes, the score and the trinity bomb test to give this movie life!
Without the score & fast editing I would’ve fallen asleep. This courtroom style movie should NOT be 3 hours long. Easily could cut 30-40 minutes.

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I knew this was gonna be intense, but I was actually overwhelmed by the end of it. It's 3 straight hours of having our senses bombarded with sound (my goodness ... the sound ... even in a normal theater), light and quite possibly the worst thing our country has ever done. Oppenheimer himself is a fun hang, someone easy to spend time with, but this movie is quite damning to his reputation. It does not let him off the hook for what he's done, and even goes on for a bit too long to hammer home that the consequences he faced were not enough.

Not sure about a score yet. It will be very high, just don't know if it will be a 10 or not. For the first two hours or so I thought it was the greatest movie ever made. Though while I did how he used the trials as a narrative device, the pacing was hurt when the trials were all that was going on. The revelation that Strauss is the one who organized his downfall doesn't hit very hard since Strauss isn't very present in the main part of the movie. It would have been historically inaccurate, but dramatically more interesting if it was Matt Damon's character that did it. However, he does bring it all around with one of the hardest hitting final scenes in movie history. In a world that has become complacent and comfortable with nuclear weapons, Oppenheimer is a bitter reminder that we're all only one madman's decision away from complete annihilation.


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The very ending was so good. Wraps the film up perfectly.


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At what point is the nude scene in the runtime?


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At what point is the nude scene in the runtime?
There are two nude scenes by Pugh; the first is very early and the second is in the middle.


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At what point is the nude scene in the runtime?


It's tasteful lol don't need to close your eyes

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Capitalism ability to create anti nuclear defense :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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zwackerm wrote:
At what point is the nude scene in the runtime?


It's tasteful lol don't need to close your eyes


I have friends who are very sensitive to nudity and struggle with porn addiction so I’m trying to warn them if we go see it.


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Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer stands as the director's latest achievement, boasting an exceptional performance by Cilian Murphy. It emerges as a strong contender for Best Picture, likely garnering numerous nominations. Nolan's masterful direction, characterized by his signature time jumps, provides an intimate glimpse into the life of the man responsible for developing the Atomic Bomb. The portrayal highlights both his strengths and weaknesses, while the supporting cast delivers excellent performances.



However, some aspects warrant criticism. Once again, Nolan's dialogue suffers from clarity issues, requiring a concerted effort to catch what characters are saying due to poor sound mixing and background music. Additionally, I wanted more spectacular visuals and effects of the bomb, to include footage of the bomb detonations in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I understand why they didn't want that to be the focus. Still, I wanted more pizzaz. The preference for more flair and fewer Congressional hearings and depositions leads me to slightly lower my grade from an A to an A-.

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2 nitpicks.

1. Everything with the Lewis Strauss/ "Oppenheimer is a national security threat" is extremely undeveloped. Totally understand them wanting to show what happened to Oppenheimer but the Lewis Stauss-driven Kangaroo court and later senate hearing had no relevancy to the film. Just a shockingly underdeveloped subplot that is given far too much time.
RDJ's entire motivation to takedown Oppenheimer is a 2 second isotope quip? Strauss clearly wasn't humiliated, he was extremely full of himself.
RDJ's entire rationale for thinking the scientists turned against him was the 2 second Op-Einstein conversation?
Even if they were true in reality, they are extraordinarily weak justifications within the film. Strauss's passionate soliloquy at the end feels simply meaningless because the dynamic between the 2 men is so badly developed. They are painted as rivals but have spent like 2 minutes together on screen out of the previous 2 hours and 45 minutes. And icing on the cake is Rami Malek is in the film for 2 seconds before his final scene. They acted as if Lawrence came out to back him up, someone with credibility who the audience knows and likes. But it is a total and complete stranger telling us these random sentences. So for me, the final 30 minutes drags horrifically. The kangaroo court in particular just feels ridiculous in its entirety.

They should have found a way for the film to end soon after he meets with Truman. That was a great scene. Had the film ditched the Strauss angle and opened with a look at "How did the Father of the atomic bomb become outspoken against them?" and then followed his journey from beginning to end, would be more compelling. Could still end with the Einstein convo, but would have been much tighter film.

2. What is the point of Florence Pugh here? Oppenheimer learns or applies absolutely nothing from his time with her. He is upset briefly when she dies but then instantly is fine again. I get that they were setting up "communist" ties but she was an extra layer, Kitty and his brother being communists would have been more than sufficient. She was under developed.

That said, everything from young Oppenheimer through his meeting with Truman is fucking perfect. Murphy and Blunt are both excellent. I do think Matt Damon felt a bit out of league trying to play some tough General, someone more akin to Eric Bana or Sam Elliott would have brought a better presence here. David Krumholtz and Josh Hartnett are the 2 clear standouts on the supporting side, bring very different and needed energy to the group and both of these guys should get more work after this. Safdi, Brannah, and Conti bring some much need gravitas too.

All in all, the film as it is for me is a 7/10. A 10/10 'one of best film ever' type would have scrapped the entire Strauss angle - no RDJ at all in the film.

Open the film with his security clearance being revoked, then flash back to how we got here. Keep everything from beginning to Los Alamos as-is but find a reason to give a shit about Push and give us a bigger explosion. The build up is flawless but then we see a basic movie explosion that we have seen 100x before. After Trinity Test, show a bit more about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Leave him seriously conflicted. He meets with Truman and fully understand his role, commits to disarmament. It ends with him losing his clearance, but he is less concerned. Final scene is exactly as it is here. That is a 10/10 film.

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2 nitpicks bring it from 10/10 to 7/10?


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2 nitpicks bring it from 10/10 to 7/10?


Yeah the film as it is a very good film with a huge chunk of it being GOAT perfect. In fact, just after there trinity test, I was like "god damn, this is indeed basically flawless" but I expected a much cleaner wrap up.

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Lower tier Nolan for me, though that's still at least a solid film. The subject matter in question was not particularly interesting to me and you could definitely feel the runtime, though technical aspects are aces as expected. Performance wise Robert Downey Jr. and Emily Blunt are the best, Florence Pugh is sadly completely wasted, and Benny Safdie is Razzie worthy. B


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Oppenheimer is pretty darn spectacular. Highly intelligent and audacious filmmaking from Nolan, who raises immediately thought provoking questions about creations and their consequences. Also, our senses of vanity and self importance. How much do we actually matter in this world? Despite having almost no real action per se, the movie will have discerning viewers on the edge of their seats. It is psychologically gripping, with a haunting touch that lingers. An A+ cast from top to bottom, with Cillian Murphy unquestionably giving the performance of his career and a powerful interpretation of “the destroyer of worlds.” Robert Downey Jr. also gives what could be his best performance ever, a performance of multiple faces, while Emily Blunt brings a quiet power and Matt Damon is on hand to provide some strong support.

I don’t know where it immediately ranks amongst Nolan films but I do feel it’s up there with The Dark Knight and Inception. A major rebound after the relative disappointment of Tenet.

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The historical accuracy is great, but yeah, a couiple of the characters could have been combined for narrative cohesion. But then people would be complaining about it not being accurate enough. So I think, messy as it gets near the end, its more important to keep it that way to cement this film's place in our culture. I just wish Strauss had played a bigger part in the story than just a guy with a grudge.

I'm gonna go with a 9.9/10. I'll (probably) vote Nolan for director at the KJs, but Spiderverse for Picture.


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I also think Nolan was worried about making this movie too triumphant for Oppenheimer. You have to end with the main character getting a win that didn't involve the deaths of thousands of innocent people, but also state that Oppenheimer didn't even deserve that win. Thus Strauss' point in the story.

Pugh's whole purpose (outside of the nudity which does, imo, help the pacing of the movie and its appeal to casual fans) seems to be to get Oppy to realize that his actions have consequences and not all of his ideas are brilliant. It's too late to stop Hiroshima at that point, but it definitely informs us as to (part of the reason) why he is so passionate about stopping the hydrogen bomb.


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Fantastic movie, it's Nolan so it might be expected, but he delivers just yet again. It feels like his most mainstream film, in terms of plot and theme, like probably Insomnia, and with this again he just shows he's an unmatched film maker. Love the cast and the performances, the script detailing both Oppenheimer himself and the development of the bomb is great. An engrossing and gripping film which is just a treat for the whole 3 hours. The visuals and score stimulate the senses.

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The historical accuracy is great, but yeah, a couiple of the characters could have been combined for narrative cohesion. But then people would be complaining about it not being accurate enough. So I think, messy as it gets near the end, its more important to keep it that way to cement this film's place in our culture. I just wish Strauss had played a bigger part in the story than just a guy with a grudge.

I'm gonna go with a 9.9/10. I'll (probably) vote Nolan for director at the KJs, but Spiderverse for Picture.


RDJ's monologue at end feels totally unearned because its based on a tiny, imagined slight (Oppy/Einstein chat) which began over an absurd joke (isotopes thing). may be true in reality but it hurts the film.

This would have flowed MUCH better:

-Open with an old Oppenheimer in the 1965, getting ready to be interviewed by NBC. As he preps for the interview, it is noted that he has fallen from grace, been cast out by the national security community, and is asked WHAT HAPPENED WITH Lewis Strauss?
-Post war. Oppenheimer meets with team about the H bomb, doesn't want to develop it, Strauss disagrees. Later, at a hearing, he cracks a joke at Strauss expense.
-Back to old Oppenheimer, says this was where things started to go down hill. He notes how the times had mightily changed. Laments that life was simpler when everything started.
-Show his school days, meeting Jean and Kitty, Lawrence and co just as in film. He is drawn into the communist stuff too much, warned about it by Lawrence, and is chosen by Groves to lead the team. Meet Los Alamos and the development of the team that builds the bomb. Groves emphasizes security, cant have spies, etc as in film.
-Old Oppenheimer notes his Communist ties weren't as big of a deal back then as they became.
-Post war Oppenheimer is whisked away to the dining room meeting with Strauss and the others about Russia's hydrogen capabilities. Strauss notes the realization of Spies. Tense meeting.
-Old Oppy notes during the bomb production, the urgency was different and they had other priorities.
-Oppy meets with Einstein about chain reaction concern. Los Alamos production ramps up. Oppy becomes true leader, etc. One final meeting with Jean who reminds him of his humanity.
-Jean suicide/murder, Oppy shaken.
-Meet with Casey Affleck, Groves powers the development ahead.
-Post-war Oppy learns his security clearance is under review which would be huge professional setback. Dinner at Strauss house. Major stress.
-Old Oppy notes they were too far along to stop
-Groves gives the deadline. The bomb is tested and is a resounding success. Bomb gets used, gym scene, etcetc same as shown on film.
-Jean's words haunt him as he realizes when he has done, realistic visions of the destruction in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
-War ends but things escalate.
-Oppenheimer meets with Truman. He is but a disillusioned cog in the machine.
-Montage of Oppenheimer campaigning against the H bomb, Strauss maneuvers as security clearance is revoked, he is sent to the School. Icy meeting with Strauss who cant help but notice the distance.
-Oppenheimer meets with Einstein, notes they did indeed start a chain reaction. Horrified look on his face.
-Montage of Oppenheimer aggressively calling for arms reduction. Strauss is later embarrassed by scientists during senate hearing a result. Interwoven is the arms race accelerating, the hydrogen bomb is developed, all with Oppenheimer powerless to stop it.
-Back to the 1965 iconic interview with Oppenheimer. He looks around at what the world has become during the Cold War. He says the famous phrase" destroyer of worlds" and as he does, we see his visions of nuclear holocaust.
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Also...they basically make his wife a caricature of alcoholics, not subtle at all, but are far too subtle with how Pugh gets Oppenheimer to see the error in his ways.

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This is a super dense movie. I followed the story but there’d so much dialogue probably requires a second viewing to get everything out of it. Easily better than Tenet and interstellar. Acting and filmmaking were incredible. The run time was long but the film was never boring. They covered a lot, it truly felt epic.


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