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What grade would you give this film?
A 72%  72%  [ 39 ]
B 15%  15%  [ 8 ]
C 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
D 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
F 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
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As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged terror fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


I tried to make exactly that point clear to Joseba, but sadly he fails to understand. :-k

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Does this mean I have to hate Halloween? It's one of my five favorite films of all time, but it spawned Friday the 13th and hundreds of other terrible rip-offs. Why blame a film when a genre steals from it? Not the film's fault.


no you dont have to hate halloween. its the defining film and the first and the last word on the slasher genre. you cant blame a perfect film when it spawns a wave of terrible ripoffs, its something that cant be avoided in todays film industry. same with jaws, alien, night of the living dead, etc. scream is not one of those great, original horror films that are beyond reproach. its a mediocre movie that happended to be, at least for the genre, a gigantic financial success. i think it was the first horror movie since jaws to gross more than 100m. and the fact that a movie like that had such an enormous influence on the industry makes me angry.


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Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
Does this mean I have to hate Halloween? It's one of my five favorite films of all time, but it spawned Friday the 13th and hundreds of other terrible rip-offs. Why blame a film when a genre steals from it? Not the film's fault.


no you dont have to hate halloween. its the defining film and the first and the last word on the slasher genre. you cant blame a perfect film when it spawns a wave of terrible ripoffs, its something that cant be avoided in todays film industry. same with jaws, alien, night of the living dead, etc. scream is not one of those great, original horror films that are beyond reproach. its a mediocre movie that happended to be, at least for the genre, a gigantic financial success. i think it was the first horror movie since jaws to gross more than 100m. and the fact that a movie like that had such an enormous influence on the industry makes me angry.


Scream is a great, perfect horror movie beyond reproach.

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The Dark Shape wrote:
As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged fear fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


well even compared to the likes of friday the 13th, where we get a bunch of teenagers talking crap, getting drunk and making out, scream plays like clueless, or an episode of dawsons creek. scream is your ordinary highschool film that happens to have one or two psycho killers too. i am not ashamed to say that i enjoyed friday the 13th part 3 much more than scream, where random scenes set in the highschool milieu and uninvolving plot threads like a girl coming to terms with her haunted past killed my interest half an hour into the film.


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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
Does this mean I have to hate Halloween? It's one of my five favorite films of all time, but it spawned Friday the 13th and hundreds of other terrible rip-offs. Why blame a film when a genre steals from it? Not the film's fault.


no you dont have to hate halloween. its the defining film and the first and the last word on the slasher genre. you cant blame a perfect film when it spawns a wave of terrible ripoffs, its something that cant be avoided in todays film industry. same with jaws, alien, night of the living dead, etc. scream is not one of those great, original horror films that are beyond reproach. its a mediocre movie that happended to be, at least for the genre, a gigantic financial success. i think it was the first horror movie since jaws to gross more than 100m. and the fact that a movie like that had such an enormous influence on the industry makes me angry.


Scream is a great, perfect horror movie beyond reproach.


well, imo it is not :tongue:


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Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged fear fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


well even compared to the likes of friday the 13th, where we get a bunch of teenagers talking crap, getting drunk and making out, scream plays like clueless, or an episode of dawsons creek. scream is your ordinary highschool film that happens to have one or two psycho killers too. i am not ashamed to say that i enjoyed friday the 13th part 3 much more than scream, where random scenes set in the highschool milieu and uninvolving plot threads like a girl coming to terms with her haunted past killed my interest half an hour into the film.


...and I think you're just being a nostalgic fool, thinking something is better simply because it's older ;)

I don't think Scream is in Halloween's league, but it's a hell of a lot better than most of the horror junk that's been spewed out over the last three decades. It's better than every single Friday the 13th flick by a longshot (sorry Baumer).


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The Dark Shape wrote:
Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged fear fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


well even compared to the likes of friday the 13th, where we get a bunch of teenagers talking crap, getting drunk and making out, scream plays like clueless, or an episode of dawsons creek. scream is your ordinary highschool film that happens to have one or two psycho killers too. i am not ashamed to say that i enjoyed friday the 13th part 3 much more than scream, where random scenes set in the highschool milieu and uninvolving plot threads like a girl coming to terms with her haunted past killed my interest half an hour into the film.


...and I think you're just being a nostalgic fool, thinking something is better simply because it's older ;)

I don't think Scream is in Halloween's league, but it's a hell of a lot better than most of the horror junk that's been spewed out over the last three decades. It's better than every single Friday the 13th flick by a longshot (sorry Baumer).


See, I actually understand that though DS. And I have Scream in my top 25 films ever. I think it is masterfully made. I just have a very soft spot for Friday 2, 3, 4, 5 (and sort of 1 and 6). ;)

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I can understand Fridays 2 and 6, if that's worth anything. I love 'em both.


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The Dark Shape wrote:
Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged fear fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


well even compared to the likes of friday the 13th, where we get a bunch of teenagers talking crap, getting drunk and making out, scream plays like clueless, or an episode of dawsons creek. scream is your ordinary highschool film that happens to have one or two psycho killers too. i am not ashamed to say that i enjoyed friday the 13th part 3 much more than scream, where random scenes set in the highschool milieu and uninvolving plot threads like a girl coming to terms with her haunted past killed my interest half an hour into the film.


...and I think you're just being a nostalgic fool, thinking something is better simply because it's older ;)

I don't think Scream is in Halloween's league, but it's a hell of a lot better than most of the horror junk that's been spewed out over the last three decades. It's better than every single Friday the 13th flick by a longshot (sorry Baumer).


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baumer72 wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged fear fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


well even compared to the likes of friday the 13th, where we get a bunch of teenagers talking crap, getting drunk and making out, scream plays like clueless, or an episode of dawsons creek. scream is your ordinary highschool film that happens to have one or two psycho killers too. i am not ashamed to say that i enjoyed friday the 13th part 3 much more than scream, where random scenes set in the highschool milieu and uninvolving plot threads like a girl coming to terms with her haunted past killed my interest half an hour into the film.


...and I think you're just being a nostalgic fool, thinking something is better simply because it's older ;)

I don't think Scream is in Halloween's league, but it's a hell of a lot better than most of the horror junk that's been spewed out over the last three decades. It's better than every single Friday the 13th flick by a longshot (sorry Baumer).


See, I actually understand that though DS. And I have Scream in my top 25 films ever. I think it is masterfully made. I just have a very soft spot for Friday 2, 3, 4, 5 (and sort of 1 and 6). ;)


well now that even baumer admits that scream kind of sucks, its just a matter of time until dr. lecter sees the light and dramatically lowers his grade :tongue:


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Joseba B-Loki wrote:
baumer72 wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged fear fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


well even compared to the likes of friday the 13th, where we get a bunch of teenagers talking crap, getting drunk and making out, scream plays like clueless, or an episode of dawsons creek. scream is your ordinary highschool film that happens to have one or two psycho killers too. i am not ashamed to say that i enjoyed friday the 13th part 3 much more than scream, where random scenes set in the highschool milieu and uninvolving plot threads like a girl coming to terms with her haunted past killed my interest half an hour into the film.


...and I think you're just being a nostalgic fool, thinking something is better simply because it's older ;)

I don't think Scream is in Halloween's league, but it's a hell of a lot better than most of the horror junk that's been spewed out over the last three decades. It's better than every single Friday the 13th flick by a longshot (sorry Baumer).


See, I actually understand that though DS. And I have Scream in my top 25 films ever. I think it is masterfully made. I just have a very soft spot for Friday 2, 3, 4, 5 (and sort of 1 and 6). ;)


well now that even baumer admits that scream kind of sucks, its just a matter of time until dr. lecter sees the light and dramatically lowers his grade :tongue:


Um, whre did he admit that Scream kind of sucks?

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Joseba B-Loki wrote:
baumer72 wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
Joseba B-Loki wrote:
The Dark Shape wrote:
As for the "adolescent" comments, mainstream horror has always been targeted at teenagers. Do you think Friday the 13th or Terror Train were created for middle-aged fear fans? They were designed as thrill rides, plain and simple. It's the same bullshit argument as when people complain about films aimed at "teenyboppers." It's always been that way, you're just not the teen anymore.


well even compared to the likes of friday the 13th, where we get a bunch of teenagers talking crap, getting drunk and making out, scream plays like clueless, or an episode of dawsons creek. scream is your ordinary highschool film that happens to have one or two psycho killers too. i am not ashamed to say that i enjoyed friday the 13th part 3 much more than scream, where random scenes set in the highschool milieu and uninvolving plot threads like a girl coming to terms with her haunted past killed my interest half an hour into the film.


...and I think you're just being a nostalgic fool, thinking something is better simply because it's older ;)

I don't think Scream is in Halloween's league, but it's a hell of a lot better than most of the horror junk that's been spewed out over the last three decades. It's better than every single Friday the 13th flick by a longshot (sorry Baumer).


See, I actually understand that though DS. And I have Scream in my top 25 films ever. I think it is masterfully made. I just have a very soft spot for Friday 2, 3, 4, 5 (and sort of 1 and 6). ;)


well now that even baumer admits that scream kind of sucks, its just a matter of time until dr. lecter sees the light and dramatically lowers his grade :tongue:


Um, whre did he admit that Scream kind of sucks?


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I just watched it again (as part of my pledge to watch as many horrors as possible before Halloween), and I loved it even more. It's one of the few horrors I can think of that walks such a fine line with its tone between scare and satire and yet absolutely nails it. It's pretty much brilliant all the way through.

I don't really like either of the sequels, though.

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I've never been a big fan of this film, its pretty lazy and its self aware smugness is hard to stomach.

It mistakes self parody for invention and instead ends up a bigger joke then the films it riffs off. Also it spawned its bastard stepchildren like IKWUDLS and Cherry Falls for example! I'm going to be slightly hyperbolic and say American horror has struggled to recover its former strength because of this thing.

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I would agree that Scream has done far more bad than good, considering what it spawned, but this first one manages to toe that line between parody and scary really, really well. It's an effective, smart piece, and a complete aberration; none of the filmmakers are as talented as the work here would indicate.

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i think it did more harm than good simply because it was hard to top.

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It makes fun of horror movies, but it's a shameless horror movie, and it handles both aspects of its "split personality" extremely well. As entertaining as the horror comedy genre has ever been.

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Amazing film, one of the best horror movies I've ever seen, and I love how the guys heard the rules of a Horror movie and 10 seconds later they start breaking the rules :P , great parody/horror film.

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I love this movie but I heard they're making a part four. That's a bad idea.


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trixster wrote:
It's one of the few horrors I can think of that walks such a fine line with its tone between scare and satire and yet absolutely nails it.

yoshue wrote:
but this first one manages to toe that line between parody and scary really, really well

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trixster wrote:
trixster wrote:
It's one of the few horrors I can think of that walks such a fine line with its tone between scare and satire and yet absolutely nails it.

yoshue wrote:
but this first one manages to toe that line between parody and scary really, really well

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I suppose you could say thompsoncory was doing the same thing, then.

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I suppose you could say thompsoncory was doing the same thing, then.


thompsoncory posted in this thread before you

In conclusion: NO.

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I suppose you could say thompsoncory was doing the same thing, then.


thompsoncory posted in this thread before you

In conclusion: NO.

:lol:

You missed the joke; I was referring to a comment yoshue made about thompsoncory's review of that Latino Christmas movie, where he stole yosh's comment about Rachel Getting Married.

Inside snob joke, y'know?

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trixster wrote:
Libs wrote:
trixster wrote:
I suppose you could say thompsoncory was doing the same thing, then.


thompsoncory posted in this thread before you

In conclusion: NO.

:lol:

You missed the joke; I was referring to a comment yoshue made about thompsoncory's review of that Latino Christmas movie, where he stole yosh's comment about Rachel Getting Married.

Inside snob joke, y'know?


I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about until I actually looked up both reviews. Ever hear of coincidence? :roll:


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