Could FF4 Possibly Be #1 on July 8th Weekend?
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Schlomo
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 Could FF4 Possibly Be #1 on July 8th Weekend?
Does anyone think this baby could dethrone WOW's 2nd wknd? I think it's possible, but I'm not so sure. Thoughts?
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Tue May 03, 2005 3:48 pm |
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Anonymous
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Umm, no.
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Tue May 03, 2005 3:51 pm |
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Jmart
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No, but it will probably have a decent enough opening anyways.
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Tue May 03, 2005 3:52 pm |
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matatonio
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Nope! i would love to see big numbers for FF, but thats not happening
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Tue May 03, 2005 3:52 pm |
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Anonymous
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It's possible and probable in my opinion...unless WotW has $75m+ opening weekend.
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Tue May 03, 2005 4:17 pm |
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xXVincentxX
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There is no way it is going to happen. I can't see Fantastic Four having any more than a $45 million weekend, and I think War of the Worlds will open with $85 million, then drop 40%, and have a second week total of $51 million easily placing it in the top spot for the second consecutive week.
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Tue May 03, 2005 4:27 pm |
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Anonymous
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Spider-man 2 opened with $88m after wednesday release, and you expecting WotW to come that close?
Spielberg and gang should be happy if it opens with $60m. For now I'm thinking $50m after around $20m wednesday, and $12m-$13m thursday.
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Tue May 03, 2005 4:57 pm |
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El Maskado
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Nah I see Corman's Fantastic Four bombing anyhow
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Tue May 03, 2005 4:59 pm |
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zingy
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Lots of "No" responses for a clear "Yes" answer...
I guess it's because some people expect War of the Worlds to open with more than $80 million for the weekend alone. I don't expect it to top $70 million. I'd say right now an opening of about $68 million (similar to The Day After Tomorrow), a 50% drop to $34 million due to post-Independence Day weekend, which will let Fantastic Four take over that weekend.
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Tue May 03, 2005 5:01 pm |
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Maverikk
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Zingaling wrote: Lots of "No" responses for a clear "Yes" answer...
I guess it's because some people expect War of the Worlds to open with more than $80 million for the weekend alone. I don't expect it to top $70 million. I'd say right now an opening of about $68 million (similar to The Day After Tomorrow), a 50% drop to $34 million due to post-Independence Day weekend, which will let Fantastic Four take over that weekend.
The answer is indeed a clear yes, and I certainly will bump this thread.
News of the Fantastic Four/NBA promotion at the link. 50 million minimum.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/fanta ... hp?id=2934
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Tue May 03, 2005 5:03 pm |
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zingy
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Oh, and I think this belongs in Box Office Bash.
I'll move it... now.
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Tue May 03, 2005 5:05 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Of course, it has a good chance to, unless War of the Worlds opens to $80+ million and has a good 2nd weekend hold.
I see it getting the top spot. Should make around $45-55 million opening weekend.
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Tue May 03, 2005 5:11 pm |
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Bodrul
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This will easily get the top spot. I see no doubt about it. $60,000,000+ opening.
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Tue May 03, 2005 6:52 pm |
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Joker's Thug #3
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How good will WOTW actually do? When was the last time a Spielberg movie made over 80m? Never happened, it'll only do a bit better then Signs opening weekend and end up with worse legs, maybe a multiplier of 3.3 or so. Fantastic Four in no way shape or form will make 60m opening weekend, 40m tops, which will which will give it #1 for the weekend.
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:24 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
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I don't Fantastic Four clearing $30M, so yeah, War Of The Worlds will be #1 in it's 2nd weekend.
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:42 pm |
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Joker's Thug #3
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Maverikk wrote: Zingaling wrote: Lots of "No" responses for a clear "Yes" answer...
I guess it's because some people expect War of the Worlds to open with more than $80 million for the weekend alone. I don't expect it to top $70 million. I'd say right now an opening of about $68 million (similar to The Day After Tomorrow), a 50% drop to $34 million due to post-Independence Day weekend, which will let Fantastic Four take over that weekend. The answer is indeed a clear yes, and I certainly will bump this thread. News of the Fantastic Four/NBA promotion at the link. 50 million minimum. http://www.superherohype.com/news/fanta ... hp?id=2934 xXx was heavily marketed during the playoff games, we saw how that turned out. It's all about appeal, not about HUGE marketing and I dont think Fantastic Four has much of an appeal to make over 50m opening week.
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:46 pm |
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MovieDude
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Fantastic Four will be #1 opening weekend, I have little doubt of that. I've been hearing tons of good talk already from the ads, and when the supposedly really great trailer comes out (either with Kingdom of Heaven Friday or Star Wars, though either way it'll be attached to the latter) I think that the few people that aren't convinced will be. This is going to be the first really big movie since The Longest Yard to not be dead serious, and it's a proven fact that films that have some form of comic relief often sell better. War of the Worlds will be huge, no doubt, but how big can it really get? To give Spider-Man 2 some credit, don't forget that it had the Fourth of July Sunday night which prevented what would have otherwise been a 95 million+ weekend (Monday July 5th it increased 26% to 27 million). That's a six day of 180 million for Spider-Man 2. I'm thinking that War of the Worlds will do about 75% of that, or 135 million. So assuming it'll be slightly less frontloaded thanks to an older audience and no sequelitis, I'm thinking about 29 million Wednesday, 18 million Thursday, 26 million Friday, 28.5 million Friday, and 21 million Sunday. That's 75.5 million for the weekend, and 122.5 million for the five day. Spider-Man 2 had less competion (Anchorman and King Arthur made 43 million together, something I expect Four to top and Dark Water to come within 15 million of) but probably better WOM, so I'd go with the same drop to 45 million. So it could be somewhat close, but right now I'd say Fantastic Four will beat that figure by 5-10 million.
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:52 pm |
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Maverikk
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Killuminati510 wrote: xXx was heavily marketed during the playoff games, we saw how that turned out. It's all about appeal, not about HUGE marketing and I dont think Fantastic Four has much of an appeal to make over 50m opening week.
You can't compare a NON summer movie that is a sequel without the lead actor of a movie that was received with mixed feelings, to Marvel Comics' first family. There's a reason that the book has lasted over 40 years, had 2 cartoon series, and would have got the big 4th of July weekend had it not been for guys named Spielberg and Cruise. It's got mass appeal.
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:54 pm |
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El Maskado
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MovieDude wrote: Fantastic Four will be #1 opening weekend, I have little doubt of that. I've been hearing tons of good talk already from the ads, and when the supposedly really great trailer comes out (either with Kingdom of Heaven Friday or Star Wars, though either way it'll be attached to the latter) I think that the few people that aren't convinced will be. This is going to be the first really big movie since The Longest Yard to not be dead serious, and it's a proven fact that films that have some form of comic relief often sell better. War of the Worlds will be huge, no doubt, but how big can it really get? To give Spider-Man 2 some credit, don't forget that it had the Fourth of July Sunday night which prevented what would have otherwise been a 95 million+ weekend (Monday July 5th it increased 26% to 27 million). That's a six day of 180 million for Spider-Man 2. I'm thinking that War of the Worlds will do about 75% of that, or 135 million. So assuming it'll be slightly less frontloaded thanks to an older audience and no sequelitis, I'm thinking about 29 million Wednesday, 18 million Thursday, 26 million Friday, 28.5 million Friday, and 21 million Sunday. That's 75.5 million for the weekend, and 122.5 million for the five day. Spider-Man 2 had less competion (Anchorman and King Arthur made 43 million together, something I expect Four to top and Dark Water to come within 15 million of) but probably better WOM, so I'd go with the same drop to 45 million. So it could be somewhat close, but right now I'd say Fantastic Four will beat that figure by 5-10 million.
Fantastic Four was never in the same league as Spiderman, Batman and Superman. Even the comic book sales in the 80s puts it below X-Men and the Punisher, I dont think Fantastic Four is as popular as most posters here are putting them under. Dont also forget that Fanastic Four is pretty much outdated for its time when kids turn more to darker super hero types like The X-Men, the whole cheesiness of Fantastic Four make it look like its trapped in the Leave it to Beaver era. So basically whats left to sell the movie? Definately not the stars with the exception of Alba since they arent really household names. Im also not confident about the writer for the script since he already gave us two bombs like Elektra and XXX2.
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Tue May 03, 2005 8:00 pm |
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Rev
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F4 will top WoW that weekend  for sure.
i'd bet the $7 grand i still owe on my p.o.s car. 
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Tue May 03, 2005 8:01 pm |
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Joker's Thug #3
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Maverikk wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: xXx was heavily marketed during the playoff games, we saw how that turned out. It's all about appeal, not about HUGE marketing and I dont think Fantastic Four has much of an appeal to make over 50m opening week. You can't compare a NON summer movie that is a sequel without the lead actor of a movie that was received with mixed feelings, to Marvel Comics' first family. There's a reason that the book has lasted over 40 years, had 2 cartoon series, and would have got the big 4th of July weekend had it not been for guys named Spielberg and Cruise. It's got mass appeal. I'd bet anything Fantastic Four wont do much better in the review department then Daredevil did, I was just trying to say marketing during the playoffs isnt helping this movie much, they need to appeal to people OTHER then males if they want it to be big, movies like Spider-Man and Batman have that female appeal because of the romance between the hero and the girl in danger, Fantastic Four doesnt have that. Lets compare it to Hulk then, since that came out during the summer, both comics are equally popular ( or close I guess ), Hulk managed 62m with absoultely no direct competition except 2Fast2Furious on its 3rd week out. Fantastic Four has to deal with the fact that a much higher profile superhero movie came out not even a month before it and not to mention War of the Worlds on its second weekend which attracts the same demo ( for the most part ) Those things arent helping Fantastic at all, it should still manage around 40m, but thats as far as it'll get.
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Tue May 03, 2005 8:06 pm |
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Maverikk
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El_Masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: Fantastic Four was never in the same league as Spiderman, Batman and Superman. Even the comic book sales in the 80s puts it below X-Men and the Punisher, I dont think Fantastic Four is as popular as most posters here are putting them under. Dont also forget that Fanastic Four is pretty much outdated for its time when kids turn more to darker super hero types like The X-Men, the whole cheesiness of Fantastic Four make it look like its trapped in the Leave it to Beaver era. So basically whats left to sell the movie? Definately not the stars with the exception of Alba since they arent really household names. Im also not confident about the writer for the script since he already gave us two bombs like Elektra and XXX2.
When John Byrne was doing the Fantastic Four in the 80's, it's sales blew away Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, and everything but X-men, which gained it's popularity when John Byrne was the artist. The characters are quite popular, but comic sales have a lot to do with who is drawing and writing the book.
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Tue May 03, 2005 8:09 pm |
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Maverikk
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Killuminati510 wrote: I'd bet anything Fantastic Four wont do much better in the review department then Daredevil did, I was just trying to say marketing during the playoffs isnt helping this movie much, they need to appeal to people OTHER then males if they want it to be big, movies like Spider-Man and Batman have that female appeal because of the romance between the hero and the girl in danger, Fantastic Four doesnt have that. Lets compare it to Hulk then, since that came out during the summer, both comics are equally popular ( or close I guess ), Hulk managed 62m with absoultely no direct competition except 2Fast2Furious on its 3rd week out. Fantastic Four has to deal with the fact that a much higher profile superhero movie came out not even a month before it and not to mention War of the Worlds on its second weekend which attracts the same demo ( for the most part ) Those things arent helping Fantastic at all, it should still manage around 40m, but thats as far as it'll get.
It doesn't have to do better with reviews than Daredevil, it will appeal to kids a lot more, and you are only looking at this through your own perspective, and not even considering the demographic that will fuel this.
Hulk SHATTERED the June opening weekend when it was released, but that's just details.
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Tue May 03, 2005 8:13 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Just to make one thing clear. Fantastic Four has neither the hype nor the anticipation nor the status that Hulk had.
Hulk was one of the most-anticipated movies of the year, hyped all around. Hulk is also a more well-known brand-name. If I ask my friends none of them knows F4 (I already did ask them), but I am absolutely sure they all know Hulk. Besides that, Hulk was directed by the director of high-profile flicks like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon while F4 is being directed by the director of Barbershop and Taxi
That aside, Fantastic Four will have a bigger family appeal than Hulk, but it won't have the must-see quality to it. However, I don't see any way for it to perform any worse than Daredevil and considering it is being released in the summer and not in February like DD, I'd say it's pretty certain to make at least $45 million opening weekend, even though I'm rather leaning to $50+ million, á la X-Men.
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Tue May 03, 2005 8:38 pm |
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andaroo1
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I agree with Lecter (gasp) about Fantastic Four's current hype level. It's way less than Hulk's, but then again EVERYTHING is way underhyped this year and as such, not performing up to snuff.
At this point don't see FF making over $40 million opening weekend. I think regardless of the level of familiarity that comic fans think there is with any and all properties, in Fantastic Four's case there is was reason why Spider-Man and Hulk were considered bigger properties, with bigger budgets and more attention to detail, casting, directing, etc. And being that this year is YEAR OF ZEE HORROR I don't see why Dark Water couldn't have a good weekend either. Between that, War of the Worlds (which will probably pull a $30 - $40 second weekend) and all the myriad of other familish movies that will be out during that time, I don't think that it has enough of a leftover audience to pull $50 million.
Personally, I consider Pirates and Scary Movie big anomolies... most pictures in this time frame (that aren't hold overs) open up around $20 - $30... LXG, Anchorman, Road to Perdition, Legally Blonde, American Pie... then the total starts getting lower, obviously, the farther you go back. It's also the weekend after the long 4th of July weekend this year, and I think that will cut down on some of the family audience who spent the previous weekend together.
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