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Killuminati510 wrote:

SR got a B+ from CinemaScore, which is pretty mediocre. Doesnt bode that well for it's wom. To compare, even Tokyo Drift got an A-.

Magnus wrote:

Killuminati510 wrote:

Doesnt bode that well for it's wom. To compare, even Tokyo Drift got an A-.

To compare? I'm not defending SR here, I'm just going to attack you for even trying to use any Fast and Furious Cinema Score as a base to comapre with other films. 2F2F even got great scores. "An encouraging 90% found 2 Fast to be "excellent" or "very good." The fans are so biased because of the cars that they rate it excellent.

A BETTER comparison would be WOTW, which got the same score.

Magnus wrote:

Killuminati510 wrote:

Comic flick with a B+ aint so hot.

Its not like I am saying it is. I'm saying WOTW would be a better example to use.

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Shack wrote:

WHY?

And besides, having the same WOM as WOTW isn't exactly a good thing, you know.

I'M NOT DEFENDING SR! IM SAYING THAT FOR ANY COMPARISON TO ANY FUCKING MOVIE, YOU DON'T FUCKING USE A FILM LIKE FF3 TO BASE HOW GOOD WOM IS UNLESS ITS A FUCKING MOVIE ABOUT FUCKING RACE CARS!

AND DON'T FUCKING BRING UP CARS!!

Alright, with that out of me, I shall say what I wanted to say. SR probably would have been able to get WOTW legs easily without POTC2, but with POTC2, WOTW would be the best possible legs imaginable. Bad legs are going to come indeed. But I don't think they will be absoutley horrendous as some think.

Killuminati510 wrote:

Magnus wrote:

Killuminati510 wrote:

Doesnt bode that well for it's wom. To compare, even Tokyo Drift got an A-.

Oh so you dont take account the HUGE amount of Superman fanboys :roll:

Comic flick with a B+ aint so hot.

excel wrote:

its not impossible at all. its tracking to fall 52%-less the wotw-and the it will also bounce back in its 3rd wekend when war fell another 50+%.

Shack wrote:

WOTW legs aren't the best case scenario, they're impossible. Both had a 21 mil opening day on the same weekend, but Superman has fallen to a 52.6 mil 3-day and 84.7 mil 5-day, while at this point Worlds had just came off a 64.8 mil 3-day and 100.7 mil 5-day. It is already 16 and change mil behind, and when it falls 60% next weekend instead of WOTW's 53%, it'll be even further behind, too far to possibly catch up.

DP07 wrote:

Pearl Harbor had an A-.

excel wrote:

ight. supes is doing fine domesticaly. why dont we talk about how its dong GREAT overseas hmmmmm? the superman www thread is like 100 posts but thers about 15 to the "wow superman broke a few over seas records".

Killuminati510 wrote:

I cant even count the amount of times you said " we shall see " about SR's BO numbers and wom.

Nazgul9 wrote:

DP07 wrote:

Pearl Harbor had an A-.

That allone tells me Cinemascore is a joke and not to be taken serious when determining WOM...

excel wrote:

and an inflatd worldwide take over 500 million.

and like superman, much scrutiny was made over its long runing time, dissapointing opening, and mega budget.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

DP07 wrote:

It should tell you that your idea of WOM is quite different from reality and shouldn't be based on an unrepresentative sample such as your friends.

Nazgul9 wrote:

DP07 wrote:

It should tell you that your idea of WOM is quite different from reality and shouldn't be based on an unrepresentative sample such as your friends.

Good luck with your $160+ million POTC2 prediction based on "scientific data"...

DP07 wrote:

Nazgul9 wrote:

DP07 wrote:

It should tell you that your idea of WOM is quite different from reality and shouldn't be based on an unrepresentative sample such as your friends.

Good luck with your $160+ million POTC2 prediction based on "scientific data"...

Well, some data is certainly better then other data.

Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:13 pm ]
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o. we shall see.

Author:	Jonathan [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:16 pm ]
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Killuminati510 wrote: SR got a B+ from CinemaScore, which is pretty mediocre. Doesnt bode that well for it's wom. To compare, even Tokyo Drift got an A-. And Batman Begins got an A. So much for that BB-esque WOM. And WOTW got a B+, not a B.

Author:	Joker's Thug #3 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:17 pm ]
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Magnus wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: Doesnt bode that well for it's wom. To compare, even Tokyo Drift got an A-. To compare? I'm not defending SR here, I'm just going to attack you for even trying to use any Fast and Furious Cinema Score as a base to comapre with other films. 2F2F even got great scores. "An encouraging 90% found 2 Fast to be "excellent" or "very good." The fans are so biased because of the cars that they rate it excellent. A BETTER comparison would be WOTW, which got the same score. Oh so you dont take account the HUGE amount of Superman fanboys Comic flick with a B+ aint so hot.

Author:	Shack [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:38 pm ]
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Having the same WOM as WOTW isn't exactly a good thing, you know.

Author:	Joker's Thug #3 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:43 pm ]
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Magnus wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: Comic flick with a B+ aint so hot. Its not like I am saying it is. I'm saying WOTW would be a better example to use. Other comic films would be the best examples, since fanboy effect comes into play. Theres none of that with WotW, dont know what Last Stand got but we know BB got an A.

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Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:56 pm ]
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we will get good legs wait and see!

Author:	Shack [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:25 pm ]
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Magnus wrote: Shack wrote: WHY? And besides, having the same WOM as WOTW isn't exactly a good thing, you know. I'M NOT DEFENDING SR! IM SAYING THAT FOR ANY COMPARISON TO ANY FUCKING MOVIE, YOU DON'T FUCKING USE A FILM LIKE FF3 TO BASE HOW GOOD WOM IS UNLESS ITS A FUCKING MOVIE ABOUT FUCKING RACE CARS! AND DON'T FUCKING BRING UP CARS!! Alright, with that out of me, I shall say what I wanted to say. SR probably would have been able to get WOTW legs easily without POTC2, but with POTC2, WOTW would be the best possible legs imaginable. Bad legs are going to come indeed. But I don't think they will be absoutley horrendous as some think. WOTW legs aren't the best case scenario, they're impossible. Both had a 21 mil opening day on the same weekend, but Superman has fallen to a 52.6 mil 3-day and 84.7 mil 5-day, while at this point Worlds had just came off a 64.8 mil 3-day and 100.7 mil 5-day. It is already 16 and change mil behind, and when it falls 60% next weekend instead of WOTW's 53%, it'll be even further behind, too far to possibly catch up.

Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:27 pm ]
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its not impossible at all. its tracking to fall 52%-less the wotw-and the it will also bounce back in its 3rd wekend when war fell another 50+%.

Author:	DP07 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:59 pm ]
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Killuminati510 wrote: Magnus wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: Doesnt bode that well for it's wom. To compare, even Tokyo Drift got an A-. To compare? I'm not defending SR here, I'm just going to attack you for even trying to use any Fast and Furious Cinema Score as a base to comapre with other films. 2F2F even got great scores. "An encouraging 90% found 2 Fast to be "excellent" or "very good." The fans are so biased because of the cars that they rate it excellent. A BETTER comparison would be WOTW, which got the same score. Oh so you dont take account the HUGE amount of Superman fanboys Comic flick with a B+ aint so hot. B+ is never good for a blockbuster. Mediocre at best. Pearl Harbor had an A-. That's good, but unextraordinary. B is poor.

Author:	DP07 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:00 pm ]
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excel wrote: its not impossible at all. its tracking to fall 52%-less the wotw-and the it will also bounce back in its 3rd wekend when war fell another 50+%. Medea was "tracking" for a 50% drop.

Author:	Nazgul9 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:00 pm ]
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Shack wrote: WOTW legs aren't the best case scenario, they're impossible. Both had a 21 mil opening day on the same weekend, but Superman has fallen to a 52.6 mil 3-day and 84.7 mil 5-day, while at this point Worlds had just came off a 64.8 mil 3-day and 100.7 mil 5-day. It is already 16 and change mil behind, and when it falls 60% next weekend instead of WOTW's 53%, it'll be even further behind, too far to possibly catch up. Don't put too much weight on Supes opening day. It's like saying Kong will have better legs than LOTR since it's opening day to weekend ratio was much higher. Supes is a comicbook flick, so of course it'll have some hardcore fans rushing out to see it as soon as possible making the opening day heavily inflated (and don't forget the Tuesday 10pm shows), much more so than what was the case with WOTW. If we ignore the opening day (with sneeks) for a moment and look just at the percentage increases and decreases of the following days, we'd see that it's doing solid so far, nothing that would indicate huge frontloadness, neither long legs. We have to wait a few more days to see where it's heading.

Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:03 pm ]
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we shall see on the wom. we shall see......

Author:	Joker's Thug #3 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:08 pm ]
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I cant even count the amount of times you said " we shall see " about SR's BO numbers and wom.

Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:11 pm ]
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ight. supes is doing fine domesticaly. why dont we talk about how its dong GREAT overseas hmmmmm? the superman www thread is like 100 posts but thers about 15 to the "wow superman broke a few over seas records".

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Author:	Nazgul9 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:13 pm ]
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DP07 wrote: Pearl Harbor had an A-. That allone tells me Cinemascore is a joke and not to be taken serious when determining WOM...

Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:16 pm ]
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well, that was over 5 years ago..

Author:	Eventine [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:18 pm ]
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Killuminati510 wrote: I cant even count the amount of times you said " we shall see " about SR's BO numbers and wom. It's the same amount in millions SR will gross.

Author:	DP07 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:20 pm ]
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Nazgul9 wrote: DP07 wrote: Pearl Harbor had an A-. That allone tells me Cinemascore is a joke and not to be taken serious when determining WOM... It should tell you that your idea of WOM is quite different from reality and shouldn't be based on an unrepresentative sample such as your friends. PH BTW had over 250m in DVD and VHS sales on the Domestic side.

Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:23 pm ]
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and an inflatd worldwide take over 500 million. and like superman, much scrutiny was made over its long runing time, dissapointing opening, and mega budget. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Author:	DP07 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:25 pm ]
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excel wrote: and an inflatd worldwide take over 500 million. and like superman, much scrutiny was made over its long runing time, dissapointing opening, and mega budget. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm A budget that was much lower then SR's. And the total (WW) will be much lower here. DVD sales will be a fraction (100m or less).

Author:	Excel [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:30 pm ]
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no i dont think so.

Author:	Nazgul9 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:47 pm ]
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DP07 wrote: It should tell you that your idea of WOM is quite different from reality and shouldn't be based on an unrepresentative sample such as your friends. Good luck with your $160+ million POTC2 prediction based on "scientific data"...

Author:	DP07 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:50 pm ]
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Nazgul9 wrote: DP07 wrote: It should tell you that your idea of WOM is quite different from reality and shouldn't be based on an unrepresentative sample such as your friends. Good luck with your $160+ million POTC2 prediction based on "scientific data"... Well, some data is certainly better then other data.

Author:	baumer72 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:10 pm ]
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DP07 wrote: Nazgul9 wrote: DP07 wrote: It should tell you that your idea of WOM is quite different from reality and shouldn't be based on an unrepresentative sample such as your friends. Good luck with your $160+ million POTC2 prediction based on "scientific data"... Well, some data is certainly better then other data. I thought you guys were joking, but you really think it will make 160 OW?