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redfirebird2008
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 Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Get ready for Baumer's head to explode: 
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Did The Dark Knight really only get 9,300 screens? And it did as much as it did? Wow.
If that s true, this quote: "First to Excel, I didn't ignore it. It's irrelevant because that was clearly, as I already explained with less screens and showings and there was a lot of room for increase. TDKR is no Spider Man" is really terribly misguided.
TDKR should push for around 12,000 when it opens, nearly a 33% increase in screen count.
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redfirebird2008
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Excel wrote: Did The Dark Knight really only get 9,300 screens? And it did as much as it did? Wow. Yeah, I always thought its PSA was one of the most impressive things about its opening.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D In 2008 TDK & Obama won over Iron Man & McCain This year TDKR & Obama will once again beat a Marvel & a Repub 
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D redfirebird2008 wrote: Excel wrote: Did The Dark Knight really only get 9,300 screens? And it did as much as it did? Wow. Yeah, I always thought its PSA was one of the most impressive things about its opening. That really is extremely impressive. 22.5m admissions on only 9,300 screens? That translates to 2.4 million people per screen! That's amazing. Avengers, on the other hand, at 22.5 / 11.8 fails to top 2 million. Wow, 158 on 9,300 screens. Imagine how much more it could have done if it had 11,600 ala Pirates 3. If no other stat says TDKR can increase significantly upon TDK's opening weekend admissions, it' s that one. It is legit going to see a 30% increase in screen count. That is an enormous boost to it's potential ceiling. After a glance @ the midnights thread - think we look for roughly 4,000 theaters to hold midnight showings, TDKR only needs a 10k average to break 40 million. Thats a slight increase over twilight, and 2k below HP8. Fo sho doable. TDK dailies inflate to: fri: 56 (minus midnights), sat 53, sun 49. that is 158 million. Say TDKR simply matches that. Add in 40 million in midnights, youre at 198. factoring in a 30% in screen count over the count that got that ^^^ gross. It's obvious TDKR has a looooot of room grow. It's PSA in 2008 was 17k. Inflates to 19k. On 12,00 screens, that 19k means roughly 230 million. TDKR topping 207 is not impossible, in fact it probably likely, if it can secure a screen count as large as Avengers. Regardless fo 3D. _________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Rev wrote: In 2008 TDK & Obama won over Iron Man & McCain This year TDKR & Obama will once again beat a Marvel & a Repub There's no politicians but in 2010 Inception also won over Crap Man 2 (WW revenue, admissions, home video sales and most impotant, it became a classic)
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redfirebird2008
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D IM2 was such a turd. Just a giant commercial for the Avengers, unfortunately. Thank goodness Avengers itself turned out to be very good.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Excel wrote: Biggestgeekever wrote: BK wrote: First to Excel, I didn't ignore it. It's irrelevant because that was clearly, as I already explained with less screens and showings and there was a lot of room for increase. TDKR is no Spider Man. Spider-Man 1 was on 7,500 screens and 3 on 10,300. The Dark Knight was on "only" 9,300 screens, so it's not at all delusional to think TDKR can see a similar increase. Quote: I think you're being pedantic. Really, I know it's easy to get hyped up and it's more fun to say shit than to be realistic, but you have to factor it that maybe people don't want or need to see it on opening weekend. Will they really go and seek out a 8am showing or other ridiculous times just because it sold out? No, they'll go the next time convenient for them. What does this even mean? Shows have been doing 4am, 5am, 6am shows for well over a decade. It happened with ID4, Phantom Menace, Spider-Man, The Dark Knight, Harry Potter, Twilight, etc. Saying that fans don't "need" to see some films ASAP is really narrow and spits in the face of history. Quote: As TDKR skews older as well, there's inherently less of a rush. TDK was a 50/50 split over and under 25, the same as Avengers. Quote: For the fucking last time, Heath Ledger's death played a major role in elevating and inflating TDK's OW. Just like how Harry Potter, Spider Man and Iron Man peaked with the first, TDK was basically attracting audiences that would not otherwise see it. Now you're expecting all of them to return? None of those film franchises peaked on OW, which is what this club is about. Quote: People fail to realize that not 100% of people like a film after they see it. TDK is not God's gift or Nolan's gift to mankind. There will be a portion of audience not returning or feeling they can wait to see it. That will be offset by fans won after opening weekend. You made your own argument invalid here. Quote: You might as well say that everyone physically possible should see it as soon as. But TDK made nearly $400m after opening weekend, just like Avatar made nearly $680m after opening weekend. Not everyone is going to be like you gimping out and scrounging for a 0530 showing. I can't tell if you're trying to insult me and people willing to see films in the earliest hours here, if you are, then you should probably calm down. Quote: Am I saying it's impossible to convince another 2 million people or however much to go? No. Warner could yet employ a marketing strategy never seen before but maybe it's not so much that they can't convince people as the factors like crowds, rowdy and rude crowds, subjective quality, personal circumstances etc that make a cap we cannot foresee. You don't think everyone's wearing their Batman spandex with nothing better to do, do you? That everyone has money or time to throw at it. It's impossible to quantify that, and even if that were the case, Avengers still got above TDK by about one million admissions, conservatively 500k. And it did with constrictions like weaker matinees on Friday, school on Monday, and Cinco De Mayo. Clearly, those 500k-1 million people couldn't wait until next weekend. Quote: At any given point, someone somewhere is affected by something you are not currently facing and because this is how the world works, it is obvious that not everyone who can go see it will actually go see it. Now, I'm not even sure when the Olympics start, but say the US is doing very well and certain events coincide with one of TDKR's OW days, a segment of the potential audience will decide they can see it tomorrow or another day because the sporting event is live and TDKR is going to play for the next 3 months. You want to say "it doesn't matter" but, oh, it does. We don't know how close to capacity a movie can play to but one can assume it's getting there because of the smaller increases in opening weekend admissions over 10 years. That's a fucking statistical proof, you don't have to go back to 1989 and say, "Nuh-uh" because that's irrelevant. Oh my goodness, where to begin here. The Olympics begin on July 27th, and the timezone differences pretty much means the BO effect will be miminal. One can't assume anything in regards to a capacity maximum simply because we haven't had a decent increase in admissions in ten years, which is again, not true. Avengers got 3 million more admissions than Spider-Man. Looking at your own list of admissions, from 83 to 89 it went up 2.9 million, from 89 to 97 it went up 5.5 million, and from 97 to 02 it went up 4 million. From a mathematical viewpoint, ~3 million in 10 years is not a statistical skew and indicative that we're reaching a peak. Quote: What else are you going to say? Why hasn't Dead Man's Chest, Spider Man 3, The Dark Knight and the Avengers all failed to increase the same amount that Spider Man once did? TDKR is not the most hyped film of all time, but then, neither was Spider Man. Because Spider-Man had a huge number of positive over Harry Potter. It had a built in fanbase 40 years old, incredible marketing, and yes indeed 9/11 played a part. I don't even know if you can't call Spider-Man 1 the most hyped film at the time. Quote: Some say it exploited 9/11 and the feeling of the time, so evidently there are a lot more things in play rather than the "Fuck you hater" mentality which people pull out of their ass. People wouldn't call you a hater if you weren't a nuclear power plant of negativity.  Quote: Lastly, another point, and maybe my last, that I have to make is simply there isn't going to be an $8m second place finisher come July. If we're going to assume good WOM we can also assume that other movies will have it to and theatres don't really need to throw away as many showings or whatever to TDKR. The theatres make more profit the longer into the movie's run. Now with TLAM making $8m and everything else $5m or less the % would've been so poor they don't need to consider. But if TASM is playing really well, or Ice Age 4, or Ted, or all of them you can see that the likelihood of TDKR dominating and swamping all screens and additional showings is less than Avengers. It doesn't matter if they make a higher percentage of profit from a film later in its run, theaters are still going to want a $150+m opener rather than a $20m holdover. Just take a look at the screen counts for Pirates 3 and Potter 7-2. You have a predecessor that broke the OW record and you're going to be in high demand by theaters. The same applies to swapping out showtimes.   
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D I have an exam soon so will reply later.
I don't think my negativity is more than some people's eternal positivity. It's because some are so on the opposite extreme it makes my realism seem on a negative extreme.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D BK wrote: I have an exam soon so will reply later. Translation... Need more time to come up with a good response.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D BMP wrote: Rev wrote: In 2008 TDK & Obama won over Iron Man & McCain This year TDKR & Obama will once again beat a Marvel & a Repub There's no politicians but in 2010 Inception also won over Crap Man 2 (WW revenue, admissions, home video sales and most impotant, it became a classic) The delusion... The Dark Knight Rises will obviously not break the OW record now. I see it landing between 180m-190m which is still insane and could be the admissions record (?).
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D nah the screen stuff is legit. just 9,300? if tdkr is as many screens avengers, it will beat it fa shooow. redfirebird2008 wrote: BK wrote: I have an exam soon so will reply later. Translation... Need more time to come up with a good response.  _________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Excel wrote: nah the screen stuff is legit. just 9,300? if tdkr is as many screens avengers, it will beat it fa shooow. redfirebird2008 wrote: BK wrote: I have an exam soon so will reply later.  Translation... Need more time to come up with a good response.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Barrabás wrote: BMP wrote: Rev wrote: In 2008 TDK & Obama won over Iron Man & McCain This year TDKR & Obama will once again beat a Marvel & a Repub There's no politicians but in 2010 Inception also won over Crap Man 2 (WW revenue, admissions, home video sales and most impotant, it became a classic) The delusion... The Dark Knight Rises will obviously not break the OW record now. I see it landing between 180m-190m which is still insane and could be the admissions record (?). anything over 175m sets the admissions record. _________________The Force Awakens
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D BMP wrote: [img]http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/fat.gif[/mg] Uhhhhhh 
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Biggestgeekever wrote: BMP wrote: [img]http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/fat.gif[/mg] Uhhhhhh BB  Shoulda made 2x what it did _________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Love your sig, BGE  Oh wait that's not a sig pic lol
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D If anyone thinks TDK ISN'T a classic is deluional.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Chippy wrote: If anyone thinks TDK ISN'T a classic is deluional. It's a moron
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Yeah I saw The Dark Knight on TCM the other day.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D The Dark Knight is a classic. The way people talk about it, it might as well have come out twenty years ago. Some films just stick from the get-to. I think Ledger has a lot to do with it, the fact that he is dead. But also, the film came out just before the economic crisis hit in 2008. It's literally part of an era that's now in the past.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Barrabás wrote: BMP wrote: Rev wrote: There's no politicians but in 2010 Inception also won over Crap Man 2 (WW revenue, admissions, home video sales and most impotant, it became a classic) The delusion... The Dark Knight Rises will obviously not break the OW record now. I see it landing between 180m-190m which is still insane and could be the admissions record (?). We are talking about Inception, not The Dark Knight. Reading comprehension, mmkay.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Inception, also a classic.
Anyone who disagrees is delusional.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D Chippy wrote: Inception, also a classic.
Anyone who disagrees is delusional. Indeed, Inception is top 20 maybe even top 10 all time material. _________________The Force Awakens
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises OW Record Club of FUCK 3D _________________Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
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