House of Wax...Stop The Insanity!!!
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Michael.
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I'll see it in the theaters, Zingaling, you can add that name to your theater-going listy 
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zingy
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 Maverikk wrote: Zingaling wrote: The internet (as a whole) is more of our age group. But you mentioned a site like this specifically, so I'm saying that this site has more sophisticated moviegoers, if that's what you want to call it. Even with all the sophisticated moviegoers, we still have many that want to see House of Wax. But, like I said, our site is a bad example of the demographic. I'll tell you what, Zingy, I'll make a deal with you. If I'm right, you have to go see Monster-in-Law the following weekend, and if you're right, I'll go see House of Wax. Interesting proposition. I'm definitely going to take that bet, but I can't guarantee I can see Monster-in-Law opening weekend. I'll see it during it's run, though, for sure.
Let's make the bet specific, though. Since you're saying less than $15 million, and I'm saying $20 million or more, I propose that if House of Wax makes less than $18 million this weekend, I'll see Monster-in-Law. If it makes more than $18 million, you'll see House of Wax.
Deal? :wink:
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Maverikk
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Zingaling wrote: Interesting proposition. I'm definitely going to take that bet, but I can't guarantee I can see Monster-in-Law opening weekend. I'll see it during it's run, though, for sure.
Let's make the bet specific, though. Since you're saying less than $15 million, and I'm saying $20 million or more, I propose that if House of Wax makes less than $18 million this weekend, I'll see Monster-in-Law. If it makes more than $18 million, you'll see House of Wax.
Deal? :wink: No more than 15 million for me, or I have to see it, and it's no less than 20 million for you, or you have to see Monster-in-Law. It would be possible that we could both lose, and thus, both have to see those movies, so anything that doesn't meet our specific predictions makes us a loser. Deal?
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torrino
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Maverikk wrote: torrino wrote: The poll isn't an indicator except in some cases. House of Wax is one. The fact that people like Libs, publicenemy#1, myself, and Michael all have an interest in House of Wax as a cheesy, but entertaining movie implies that House of Wax is a horror with more appeal. The fact that these people usually ignore horror movies but have a slight interest in House of Wax could benefit its box office take. House of Wax has some "extra" value that seperates it from the other horrors, and it isn't ONLY to those on the internet. If 5% of those with a slight interest in House of Wax (that's 1 out of 20) shows up during the weekend, it'd add a lot more than you think.
Slashers do well anyways. I wouldn't be half suprised if Kingdom of Heaven totally bombs (as in, failing to make $22m+) and House of Wax takes #2 with ease. The appeal is seeing Paris Hilton die. Libs doesn't have enough interest to go see it opening weekend or at the theater, so that's a moot point. You're trying to give credibility by using her, but she's in the camp that's NOT going. There are probably going to be a lot of people who want to see it, but only at their convenience, not at the theater. Many more than you realize. House of Wax will take #2 with ease, anyway, so I'm assuming you meant #1? Don't make those generalizations, first of all. I'm not about to waste $10 to go see Paris Hilton die. If I really, really wanted to, I could imagine it myself. At the very least, in my mind, I can give her a deformed face or twisted body while she's murdered. That's probably more than House of Wax shows.
Also, why do you always bring up Libs? It seems like every other post of yours mentions her.
Regardless, did publicenemy#1 or myself ever claim we were seeing it opening weekend? Nope. The point I obviously failed at stating is, if more people seem to have a SLIGHT interest in House of Wax, as compared with the number of people interested in other slashers, its weekend box office will obviously benefit. The movie is extending past the horror audience. Since when is more appeal, even if it means that people will check it out on DVD (as compared with never), a bad thing for a movie's box office?
And, finally, I don't think HOW will be #1. It's possible, but unlikely. KOH is going to be in what, 3500+ screens? That automatically means more showtimes...
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zingy
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Maverikk wrote: Zingaling wrote: Interesting proposition. I'm definitely going to take that bet, but I can't guarantee I can see Monster-in-Law opening weekend. I'll see it during it's run, though, for sure.
Let's make the bet specific, though. Since you're saying less than $15 million, and I'm saying $20 million or more, I propose that if House of Wax makes less than $18 million this weekend, I'll see Monster-in-Law. If it makes more than $18 million, you'll see House of Wax.
Deal? :wink: No more than 15 million for me, or I have to see it, and it's no less than 20 million for you, or you have to see Monster-in-Law. It would be possible that we could both lose, and thus, both have to see those movies, so anything that doesn't meet our specific predictions makes us a loser. Deal? So...
If House of Wax makes $15 million or less this weekend, you win, and I have to see Monster-in-Law. If House of Wax makes $20 million or more, I win, and you have to see House of Wax. If it grosses anywhere between $15.01 and $19.99, I see Monster-in-Law AND you see House of Wax.
Did I get that right? If that's what it is, I accept. :wink:
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Maverikk
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Zingaling wrote:
So...
If House of Wax makes $15 million or less this weekend, you win, and I have to see Monster-in-Law. If House of Wax makes $20 million or more, I win, and you have to see House of Wax. If it grosses anywhere between $15.01 and $19.99, I see Monster-in-Law AND you see House of Wax.
Did I get that right? If that's what it is, I accept. :wink: Yes, we have a deal! :wink:
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coolmoviedude999
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mansonmyers wrote: "A horror movie that is being marketed towards gay people. That's gotta be unique "
Jeepers Creepers 2 was.
Thats THE most homoerotic horror film iv ever seen. eheh. You obviously haven't seen Nightmare on Elm Street 2. :wink:
That was classic homoerotic cheese all the way. The gym teacher in the leather bar, Jessie having something inside of him just dying to get out and the girly screams. Not to mention ditching his girlfriend to go spend the night at his shirtless friend's house. Freddy even seemed gay here. I mean tying a gay gym teacher to poles and towel slapping his ass?
lol. Seriously.
I am sure you probably did see the movie, but I think it outranks JC2 when it comes to obvious. But, JC2 was definately a homoerotic horror film itself.
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matatonio
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Maverikk wrote: Zingaling wrote:
So...
If House of Wax makes $15 million or less this weekend, you win, and I have to see Monster-in-Law. If House of Wax makes $20 million or more, I win, and you have to see House of Wax. If it grosses anywhere between $15.01 and $19.99, I see Monster-in-Law AND you see House of Wax.
Did I get that right? If that's what it is, I accept. :wink: Yes, we have a deal! :wink: the both of you are going to lose
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Dr. Lecter
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Michael wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: It can, but I don't see it getting past $6,000. Personally, I predict a PTA around $4,700.
The thing is that The Amityville Horror actually looked better. It had a well-made scary trailer, it had the "based on a true story" aspect going for it and it was a remake of a well-known (even if not so beloved) horror movie. Purely a matter of opinon; imo The Amityville had THE worst trailer ive ever seen Easily. Oh wait there is Alone in the Dark.... I am not surprised to be honest at whos saying that this films going to be a disaster. My lowest prediction would be $14m Okay, if someone says that The Amityville Horror's trailer is the worst one they've ever seen, it's hard to take their opinion seriously for me.
I stick with $14-16 million as the range and my personal prediction being $14.5 million. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Dr. Lecter
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Michael wrote: I would say; whilst not trying to address anyone at all in this thread and remaining totally neutral and vanilla in every possible way so not to offend any racial minority or sexuality, that "World of KJ" and internet websites in general aren't usually the best indicator of what the public wants to see.
Evidently Ridley Scotts new epic is going to generate a hell of a lot of buzz; and Crash's amazing marketing campaign and even more amazing appeal to online film crowds is going to help it do very good buisness. But whos to say House of Wax cant cash in either? Any other weekend id say it'd have a shot at a $20m+ opening frame. You know, if it opened back in January/February before the horror movies onslaught, I'd have said that it does have a shot at $20+ million because for some reason people were hungry for horror movies. But as of now, I believe people have endured enough of them... _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Dr. Lecter
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torrino wrote: The poll isn't an indicator except in some cases. House of Wax is one. The fact that people like Libs, publicenemy#1, myself, and Michael all have an interest in House of Wax as a cheesy, but entertaining movie implies that House of Wax is a horror with more appeal. The fact that these people usually ignore horror movies but have a slight interest in House of Wax could benefit its box office take. House of Wax has some "extra" value that seperates it from the other horrors, and it isn't ONLY to those on the internet. If 5% of those with a slight interest in House of Wax (that's 1 out of 20) shows up during the weekend, it'd add a lot more than you think.
Slashers do well anyways. I wouldn't be half suprised if Kingdom of Heaven totally bombs (as in, failing to make $22m+) and House of Wax takes #2 with ease.
And, I can honestly say that House of Wax looks no less ridiculous than Fantastic Four. In fact, I'd say HOW looks less ridiculous because it doesn't take itself seriously. House of Wax WILL take #2 with ease. It's not like it's too hard either. Hithhiker's Guide will drop around 40-45% to about $12-13 million. I am pretty sure that House of Wax will at least be able to overcome that. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Dr. Lecter
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Michael wrote: I'll see it in the theaters, Zingaling, you can add that name to your theater-going listy Did you move to the States recently? [-( _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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STEVE ROGERS
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makeshift wrote: I just posted tihs in the big HOW thread... Quote: Has anyone seen the new TV spot? I just saw it on the Sci-Fi channel. They're going the whole TCM remake and Amityville remake route - trying to make it look like a true story and what not. The voice over says something like "The catastrophic events that lead six friends to Ambroise, LA will never be fully understood. What is known is that the phenomenon they encountered... has put terror on the map." This is all cut together with quick shots of really intense scenes and some old news reel footage of police putting bodies into bodybags and what not. Extremely effective, if not hugely misleading. I think this is a really smart movie on Dark Castle's part. It drops the whole kitsch factor thing they were going with and highlights the brutality of the film, which is judging from reviews supposed to be really high. It doesn't mention Paris Hilton's name once, either - which is a good thing.
:laugh: Now come on.. I think that's cheating a little making it look like a true story when it isn't.. That's fucking decpetive to sell some shit movie like this.._________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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STEVE ROGERS
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Zingaling wrote: Maverikk wrote: Zingaling wrote: Okay, well thanks for clearing it up, because most of your arguements featured "House of Wax looks stupid", so I assumed you were using that as your arguement for the opening weekend... I was using that argument for opening weekend...lol It looks stupid, and people associate Paris Hilton with stupid things. That is going to put people off. You have such a small audience potential for this film, because it's not going to win the adult audience from Kingdom of Heaven and Crash , the under 17 crowd is out because of the rating, and the horror audience will be getting pulled away by Amityville, and some will be burned out on the overkill. Where do you expect this audience to come from on opening weekend, Zingy? I still think it will be second this weekend, but a distant second. Well, first of all, The Amityville Horror won't hurt House of Wax. The Amityville Horror won't have more than $5 million this weekend, so I highly doubt that will hurt House of Wax. It'll be the other way around, if anything. Second of all, Kingdom of Heaven and Crash sure do have the adult audiences, but what about the 16-25 (or 16-30) year olds? I'm sure their choice would be House of Wax over the other two, and it's targeted at this age group, anyways. I don't think it's TRYING to get the adult audience, though it can get horror fans of adults and fans of the original House of Wax. For example, my dad is a horror fan, and he thinks House of Wax looks good. He wants to see it, but Kingdom of Heaven is his first choice. I'm surprised he wants to see Crash, though, because he's usually not into those types of movies.  _________________http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmXF3CE04A This kills TDKR At the box office next summer.. Get used to this
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I'm dead tired, so I don't have anyhting to add, but I agree with Mav.
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Michael.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Michael wrote: I'll see it in the theaters, Zingaling, you can add that name to your theater-going listy Did you move to the States recently? [-( There is this place....outside of America called the UK.
I know. Its hard to believe. But 60 million people live there.
Amazing, huh?
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Dr. Lecter
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Michael wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Michael wrote: I'll see it in the theaters, Zingaling, you can add that name to your theater-going listy Did you move to the States recently? [-( There is this place....outside of America called the UK. I know. Its hard to believe. But 60 million people live there. Amazing, huh? Its gross in UK should count towards the American gross anyway, as UK is no more than an American province. Just like Canada :razz: _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Dr. Lecter
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BKB_The_Man wrote: makeshift wrote: I just posted tihs in the big HOW thread... Quote: Has anyone seen the new TV spot? I just saw it on the Sci-Fi channel. They're going the whole TCM remake and Amityville remake route - trying to make it look like a true story and what not. The voice over says something like "The catastrophic events that lead six friends to Ambroise, LA will never be fully understood. What is known is that the phenomenon they encountered... has put terror on the map." This is all cut together with quick shots of really intense scenes and some old news reel footage of police putting bodies into bodybags and what not. Extremely effective, if not hugely misleading. I think this is a really smart movie on Dark Castle's part. It drops the whole kitsch factor thing they were going with and highlights the brutality of the film, which is judging from reviews supposed to be really high. It doesn't mention Paris Hilton's name once, either - which is a good thing.
:laugh: Now come on.. I think that's cheating a little making it look like a true story when it isn't.. That's fucking decpetive to sell some shit movie like this..But this kind of advertising might actually work. It worked for TCM, The Amityville Horror and BWP.
However, I still don't believe in a big opening, but it should be able to crack $10 million, definitely. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Johannes NA
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mansonmyers & Dr Lecter: You guys are kidding me, right? 
You have to type in "Paris Hilton" in the search box, and not just Paris Hilton. Otherwise, Google will search for both "Paris", which is the capital of France, and "Hilton", which is a huge hotel chain.
"Paris Hilton" gets 2 540 000 hits.
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Dr. Lecter
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Johannes NA wrote: mansonmyers & Dr Lecter: You guys are kidding me, right? You have to type in "Paris Hilton" in the search box, and not just Paris Hilton. Otherwise, Google will search for both "Paris", which is the capital of France, and "Hilton", which is a huge hotel chain. "Paris Hilton" gets 2 540 000 hits. I DID type in "Paris Hilton"
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*I* typed "Paris Hilton" into Google and got 2,960,000 hits, but my server has substantial firewalls. Hilton's hits would be heavily filtered because they relate to her *cough* small screen debut. (but that didn't stop Google from displaying a "sponsored link" to purchase said debut.)
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Dr. Lecter
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I just typed in "Paris Hilton" in Yahoo and got 11,600,000 hits....
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makeshift
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BKB_The_Man wrote: Zingaling wrote: Maverikk wrote: Zingaling wrote: Okay, well thanks for clearing it up, because most of your arguements featured "House of Wax looks stupid", so I assumed you were using that as your arguement for the opening weekend... I was using that argument for opening weekend...lol It looks stupid, and people associate Paris Hilton with stupid things. That is going to put people off. You have such a small audience potential for this film, because it's not going to win the adult audience from Kingdom of Heaven and Crash , the under 17 crowd is out because of the rating, and the horror audience will be getting pulled away by Amityville, and some will be burned out on the overkill. Where do you expect this audience to come from on opening weekend, Zingy? I still think it will be second this weekend, but a distant second. Well, first of all, The Amityville Horror won't hurt House of Wax. The Amityville Horror won't have more than $5 million this weekend, so I highly doubt that will hurt House of Wax. It'll be the other way around, if anything. Second of all, Kingdom of Heaven and Crash sure do have the adult audiences, but what about the 16-25 (or 16-30) year olds? I'm sure their choice would be House of Wax over the other two, and it's targeted at this age group, anyways. I don't think it's TRYING to get the adult audience, though it can get horror fans of adults and fans of the original House of Wax. For example, my dad is a horror fan, and he thinks House of Wax looks good. He wants to see it, but Kingdom of Heaven is his first choice. I'm surprised he wants to see Crash, though, because he's usually not into those types of movies. Man, where the hell do you live? There were just as many teens at my Amityville Horror showing then there were at any other horror movie released this year. I'm expecting the same with House Of Wax, but at least the teens have to be over 17 years old. My theater is uber-strict with the whole carding thing. They even have two security guards that stand in front of the big R rated movies every weekend.
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zingy
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Here's a little update of the charts...
Most Searched/Clicked Movies on Yahoo (right-hand side)
3. House of Wax (+1 from yesterday)
Crash is no longer on the list. Kingdom of Heaven wasn't on it yesterday.
Most Watched Trailers at Yahoo
2. House of Wax (+2 from yesterday)
3. Kingdom of Heaven (+3 from yesterday)
7. Crash (+7 from yesterday)
Yahoo Movies Buzz List
House of Wax (remains at #10)
Kingdom of Heaven (#9; forgot to check what it was yesterday)
Crash (not on the top 20)
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Michael.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Michael wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Michael wrote: I'll see it in the theaters, Zingaling, you can add that name to your theater-going listy Did you move to the States recently? [-( There is this place....outside of America called the UK. I know. Its hard to believe. But 60 million people live there. Amazing, huh? Its gross in UK should count towards the American gross anyway, as UK is no more than an American province. Just like Canada :razz: Just like Germanys really just "Camp Agressively Competitive" ? 
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