Does Alamo count as a historical epic?

I think the public just too epic-ed out at the moment.

And I hope Orlando Bloom takes this as a hint to quit blacksmithing, quit arrowshooting, quit swordfighting and do some smaller movie. If he wants it to make money, just put in a love scene.

I don't want to see any more buckled swashes until Pirates 2.

Anyone know how these international numbers compare to King Arthur?
Is it possible that it makes over 80% of its worldwide gross overseas?(Alexander came close with 79.5%)

Um...baumer, it made $56 million overseas in its first weekend with Japan as a major market still ahead. Troy opened to $54.7 million in about the same amount of markets overseas. Troy went on to gross $300+ million overseas. Braveheart made only $127 million overseas. Kingdom of Heaven will pass Braveheart's worldwide gross before the end of May.

With $76m already in the bag it'll easily pass $200m.

Very possible. I suppose the most it can reach in the States is around $60 million. It'd have to make $240 million overseas in order to make over 80% of its worlwide gross overseas. Considering the international opening of $56 million, it is certainly a possibility. Troy opened with $54.7 million and made over $300 million, so this one should be able to make at least $200 million, but probably even more.

So, to answer your question, yes. It is likely.

Sorry, I am out of it with international numbers recently. Thanks for the info.

BTW: We have an Opening Weekend Winner:
Opening Weekend is according to BOM $19,635,996
Nearest was alex young with 17,000,000 (Btw the lowest prediction made)
=D>

I think it is funny how some people are saying this will take 'forever' to turn profit. This movie should make a profit before it ever leaves theaters.

It is a good film for what it is worth. Not perfect, but it will do well overseas, and may even surprise in the Middle East.

Yeah, this movie is making a killing at the international box office. It'll turn a profit soon enough.

$57m opening weekend internationally is a great number.

I'm thinking a 55%+ drop for second weekend now. Anyone else thinking the same? Its terrible Saturday and weekdays are looking to point to frontloadedness.

Well, didn't Troy stay the same on its first Saturday? I think it'll drop around 50%.

Very unlikely. Let's say it drops 10% both today and Thursday, similar to what Hitchhiker did, it will still have 1.2M on Thursday. With a 150% increase, which is on the low end of Friday increases in May, that will yield a 3M Friday. 50% drop seems to be worst case. With a little better hold the next couple of days and 180% increase, then it will reach 11M for the weekend.

I rethought the numbers... A 2nd Friday increase of 122% like Troy would put in around $9.2 million, but that Friday of Troy's was later in May when some schools had been released.

I'm thinking around 130-145% Friday increase, due to competition from Monster-In-Law. Most females saw Kingdom of Heaven for Bloom, and now they have a newer option. That would lead to a $10.0 million weekend, slightly less than a 50% drop.

I dunno, I think it's terrible weekdays point to it's core audience being at work more than anything else. I don't expect it to do great this weekend but a fair amount of adults will stumble to the theater.

Hmm, not really.

The movie costs $130 million. I think the advertising costs at least $30 million (domestically only). That brings us to $160 million.

Let's say the movie makes $60 million in the States. It'll give the studio around $33 million. Overseas, it'll probably gross around $220-240 million, but the studio gets a smaller percentage from there and besides that there are international marketing costs as well, that needs to be factored in. I'll be generous and say that the studio will get 40% from the overseas gross as pure profit (probably it's more like 30-35%). That'd give it around $90-95 million from its international performance. So overall from its theatrical performance it'll earn around $125-130 million. The domestic costs, however, are $160 million at least. So it'll wait until the DVD release to turn into profit.

Unless of course it makes more than $320 million overseas which is unlikely.

Its OFFICIAL numbers for intl. markets in opening week are out..

at Box Office Mojo

I'm disappointed that this movie didn't break the record in Egypt (the holder is Passion of the Christ with US$100k+)..

however, this film made $83,099 on only 6 theaters (poor us ](*,) ) with avg. $13,450.. that's still awesome!

but look at UAE (United Arab Emirates) $829,741 ... that's HUGE
Usually, maximum theater count in UAE is 20.. if this movie indeed opened in 20 theaters.. that means it has avg. at $41,487

anyway, it did pretty decent in Lebanon..

That's good to know JURiNG. I thought it would do well in the Middle East. It may yet surprise even more in that region in the coming weeks. It's doing decent numbers here in NZ and should still hold the number one spot this weekend also.

It was even underestimated a little bit. It made $58,100,000 as of May 09. That's a great result! :razz:

Domestically however it's not doing good, falling another 11% on wed...

OPENING Weekends (ACTUALS)

United Kingdom:
Troy - $11,015,061 (£6,151,581 incl. $4.3m/£2.4m prev. weekend p/v - or $10,775,016/ £6,017,523 without p/v - 506 TC)
Gladiator - $5.5m (£3,555,446 - 417 TC)
The Passion Of The Christ - $5,044,101 (£2,784,344 - incl. 2 weeks in Ireland and $568,000 p/v or $3,092,630/£2,019,935 without - 323 TC)
The Last Samurai - $5,024,135 (£2,723,081 - 430 TC)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $4,764,356 (£2,530,445 - 447 TC) or $5,365,540 by Mon
King Arthur - $3,472,400 (£1,908,084/ €2,766,722 - 400 TC)
Alexander - $2,241,512 (£1,200,083 incl. $301,758 p/v and $434,931/ €333,331 Ireland - 415 TC)

Meet The Fockers - $14,837,008 (£7,917,661 or $13,596,555 without Thu p/v - 456 TC)
Hitch - $8,303,705 (£4,309,540 or $8,152,097/ £4,230,857 without p/v - 448 TC/709p)
Ocean’s Twelve - $6,399,615 (£3,394,100 - 450 TC)
The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy - $6,243,634 (£3,298,262 4-Day or $5,407,301/ £2.7m without p/v - 465 TC)
Robots - $5,023,184 (£2,622,253 - 474 TC)
Lemony Snicket’s A Series Of Unfortunate Events - $4,274,734 (£2,210,979/ €3,205,920 - 452 TC)
The Ring Two - $3,896,030 (£2,062,792 - 419 TC)


Germany:
Troy - $8,513,913 (€7,181,060/ 1.012.331 adms. - 1003 TC/1158p)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $6,433,544 (€5,008,192/ 702,411 adms. incl. Wed p/v - 842 TC)
The Last Samurai - $4,936,918 (€3,845,859/ 544,251 adms. - 829 TC)
Gladiator - $4.8m (692 TC)
King Arthur - $3,070,718 (€2,490,352/ 451,337 adms. - 752 TC)
The Passion Of The Christ - $2,366,432 (€1,917,993/ 285.936 adms. - 403 TC)
Alexander - $1,973,071 (€1,450,582/ 198,367 adms. - 499 TC)

Hitch - $8,871,055 (€6,698,179/ 1,057,976 adms. - 796 TC)
Meet The Fockers - $5,899,761 (4,515,382/ 704,080 adms. - 629 TC)
Ocean’s Twelve - $5,236,271 (€3,950,714/ 597,929 adms. - 795 TC)
Constantine - $3,807,854 (€2,914,341/ 436,028 adms. - 511 TC)


France: Full Week 1
Gladiator - $7,258,098 (695 TC)
Joan Of Arc - $6,001,179 (590 TC)
Troy - $5,370,241 (743 TC)
The Last Samurai - $5,034,921 (€4,051,568 - 729.476 adms. - 600 TC)
King Arthur - $4,332,674 (608 TC)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $4,198,490 (491 TC)
The Passion Of The Christ - $4,153,979 (502 TC)

Brice de Nice - $9,638,376 (555 TC)
Iznogoud - $8,008,431 (664 TC)
Hitch - $6,373,015 (495 TC)
Meet The Fockers - $5,467,777 (599 TC)


Spain:
Alexander - $7,231,632 (€5,542,323 5-Day or $4,627,281/ €3,546,348 3-Day - 420 TC)
Troy - $6,296,301 (€5,310,615/ 1.049.756 adms. - 464 TC)
The Last Samurai - $5,477,261 (€4,266,786/ 848,618 adms. incl. p/v - 425 TC)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $4,872,716 (€3,793,166/ 732,818 adms. - 435 TC)
The Passion Of The Christ - $3,199,592 (€2,632,944/ 525,767 adms. - 298 TC)
King Arthur - $2,715,707 (€2,198,609/ 442,053 adms. - 403 TC)
Gladiator - $2.4m (263 TC)

Meet The Fockers - $4,680,029 (3,616,165/ 700,404 adm. - 363 TC)
Ocean’s Twelve - $3,498,292 (€2,639,426/ 509,842 adms. - 426 TC)
Blade 3: Trinity - $3,287,247 (€2,442,227/ 477,977 adms. - 367 TC)
The Ring Two - $3,061,230 (€2,362,045/ 463,097 adms. - 352 TC)
Constantine - $2,737,286 (€2,094,982/ 407,162 adms. - 308 TC)


Italy (70%):
The Passion Of The Christ - $9,225,806 (€7,643,580 5-Day or $6,880,664/ €5,700,630 3-Day - 553 TC)^
Troy - $5,679,412 (€4,725,839 - 704 TC)^
Alexander - $3,708,917 (446 TC)^
Kingdom Of Heaven - $3,107,659 (616 TC)^
King Arthur - $2,268,700 (€1,830,478 or $2,267,845/ €1,829,788 without p/v - 346 TC)^
Gladiator - $2.1m (353 TC)

Manuale d'Amore (Love Manual) - $3,707,000 (€2,789,740 or $3,698,156/ €2,789,740 without p/v - 482 TC)^
Shall We Dance? - $2,989,347 (€2,350,105 - 406 TC)^
The Aviator - $2,759,240 (438 TC)^
The Ring Two - $2,651,646 (376 TC)^
Hitch - $2,495,372 (288 TC)^
Constantine - $2,246,586 (324 TC)^
Finding Neverland - $2,120,139 (or $2,118,357 without p/v - 269 TC)^
Ocean’s Twelve - $2,085,804 (€1.6m - 289 TC)^


Japan:
The Last Samurai - $8,355,132 (Â¥915,000,000 - or $5,477,064/Â¥597,000,000 without p/v - 540 TC)
Troy - $6,011,647 (¥687.7m or $4.8m/ ¥536.4m without p/v - 569 TC)
King Arthur - $3,134,755 (incl. p/v - 422 TC)
The Passion Of The Christ - $2,483,165 (153 TC)
Gladiator - $2.2m (215 TC)
Alexander - $1,941,729 (261 TC)

Ocean’s Twelve - $6,767,972 (or $5,378,979 without Sat p/v - 510 TC)
National Treasure - $5,090,335 (or $2,873,512 without p/v - 341 TC)
Constantine - $3,695,429 (incl. p/v - 347 TC)
The Phantom Of The Opera - $3,255,417 (269 TC)
Rockman Exe & Duel Masters - $3,052,076 (256 TC)
Kung Fu Hustle - $2,994,346 (344 TC)*NY
Lorelei: The Witch Of The Pacific Ocean - $2,914,308 (263 TC)


Australia (AUD$):
Troy - $6,641,426 (US$4.7m - 418 SC)
Gladiator - $5,927,458 (US$3.5m - 287 SC)
The Last Samurai - $3,401,421 (US$2.64m - 274 SC)
King Arthur - $3,346,615 (or $3,348,338/ US$2,447,787 incl. p/v - 300 SC)
The Passion Of The Christ - $2,973,157 (US$2,300,315 or $3,610,581/US$2,797,409 5-Day - 145 SC)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $2,609,069 (US$2,206,684 - 362 SC)
Alexander - $1,667,851 (US$1.3m - 187 SC)

Hitch - $3,507,820 (US$2,760,304 - 373 SC)
Constantine - $2,986,988 (US$2.345m - 289 SC)
The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy - $2,682,774 (US$2.1m - 244 SC)
Robots - $2,516,713 (or $2,558,474/ US$1.9m - 385 SC)*Easter
Miss Congeniality 2: Armed And Fabulous - $2,396,125 (US$1.87m - 295 SC)*Easter


South Korea (Admissions)
Troy - 889,000 adms. (190,000 adms. 2-Day Seoul) - US$4.9m
Alexander - 801,000 adms. (130,600 adms. 2-Day Seoul) - US$4.5m
The Passion Of The Christ - 706,640 adms. (132,610 adms. 2-Day Seoul)
Kingdom Of Heaven - 653,300 adms. (84,250 adms. 2-Day Seoul)
King Arthur - 450,000 adms. (96,571 adms. 2-Day Seoul)
The Last Samurai - 361,000 adms. (92,000 adms. 2-Day Seoul)

Another Public Enemy (Public Enemy 2) - 1,017,000 adms. (178,700adms. 2-Day Seoul - 408) - US$5.9m
Constantine - 980,500adms. (123,000 adms. 2-Day Seoul)*CNY - US$6.1m
Blood Rain - 921,000 adms. adms. (116,975 adms. 2-Day Seoul)
Hauru No Ugoku Shiro (Howl’s Moving Castle) - 763,550 adms. (151,803 adms. 2-Day Seoul) - US$3.8m
Running Boy (Marathon) - 695,000 adms. (142,000 adms. 2-Day Seoul) - US$4.2m


Belgium:
Kingdom Of Heaven - $1,109,830 (or $1,080,615/ €841,205 without p/v - 85)
The Last Samurai - $1,011,176 (€816,019 or €693,020 without p/v - 82)
Troy - $982,767 (€828,915 - 87)
The Passion Of The Christ - $571,440 (€473 438 - $486,169/ €402,791 without p/v - 49)
Alexander - $550,307 (or $521,147/ €399,407 without p/v - 46) or $572,195 Actuals
King Arthur - $426,111 (or $414,076/ €343,915 without p/v - 65)

Hitch - $836,786 ($722,127/ €536,497 - 57) or $819,626 Actuals
Constantine - $597,310 (or $596,991/ €452,573 without p/v - 49)
The Pacifier - $591,788 (€460,606 - 47)
The Aviator - $543,280 (or $446,638/ €343,304 without p/v - 42)
Iznogoud - $513,950 (or $366,095/ €284,324 without p/v - 28)

Denmark:
Troy - $1,578,094 (9.2m DKR incl. p/v or $876,007/ 5,423,274 DKR/ 64,824 adms. 3-Day- 78)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $886,617 (5-Day or $481,688/ 2,790,610 DKR/ 37,202 adms. 3-Day - 68)
The Last Samurai - $537,753 ($492,261/ 2,884,647 DKR/ 35,067 adms. 3-Day - 50)
King Arthur - $471,545 ($457,502/ 2,825,350 DKR/ 41,501 adms.3-Day - 61)
Alexander - $422,930 ($419,602/ 2,350,696 DKR/ 26,792 adms. 3-Day - 48) or $419,602 Actuals
The Passion Of The Christ - $308,405 ($268,499/ 1,645,361 DKR/ 23,685 adms. - 28)

Adams Aebler (Adam’s Apples) - $684,796 (or $637,728/ 3,676,184 DKR/ 53,716 adms. 3-Day - 69)
Constantine - $448,322 ($335,943/ 1,895,324 DKR/ 26,467 adms. 3-Day - 40)
Nordkraft (Angels In Fast Motion) - $428,895 ($382,645/ 2,150,544 DKR/ 31,082 adms. 3-Day - 54)
Solkongen - $395,878 ($362,912/ 2,097,814 DKR/ 31,893 adms. 3-Day - 68)
Meet The Fockers - $374,124 (or $354,039/ 2,036,364 DKR/ 30,453 adms. 3-Day - 35)
The Phantom Of The Opera - $369,990 (or $334,891/ 1,902,783 DKR/ 31,131 adms. 3-Day - 60)


Sweden:
King Arthur - $1,185,424 (or $631,074/ 4,799,128 SKR 3-Day - 95)
Troy - $1,019,369 (or $933,618/ 7,214,253 SKR 3-Day - 111)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $842,321 (5-Day or 461,683/ 3,295,954 SKR 3-Day - 83)
The Last Samurai - $665,306 (4,803,509 SKR - 88)
Alexander - $474,567 (3,190,846 SKR - 61)
The Passion Of The Christ - $362,225 (2,753,272 SKR - 49)

Innan Frosten (Before The Frost) - $521,057 (3,604,255 SKR - 86)
Constantine - $411,355 (411,355 SKR - 61)
Meet The Fockers - $410,158 (2,877,833 SKR - 50)
Robots - $379,831 (or $298,254/ 2,047,961 SKR 3-Day - 118)


Switzerland:
Troy - $1,156,809 (1,502,117 SFR -115)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $1,126,565 ($992,252/ 1,195,465 4-Day SFR - 109)
The Last Samurai - $654,831 (or $646,779/ 788,423 SFR 4-Day - 69)
King Arthur - $620,002 ($571,804/ 709,209 SFR 4-Day - 74)
Gladiator - $450,000 (52)
Alexander - $378,876 ($350,277/ 415,849 SFR 4-Day - 31)
The Passion Of The Christ - $310,717 (392,560 SFR - 30)

Meet The Fockers - $1,511,162 (or $1,144,275/ 1,353,563 SFR 4-Day - 95)
Hitch - $1,209,149 (or $1,175,134/ 1,175,134 SFR - 96)
Constantine - $561,102 (or $532,726/ 630,162 SFR 4-Day - 73)
The Ring Two - $457,545 (or $415,443/ 497,784 SFR 4-Day - 53)

Turkey:
Troy - $1,421,571 (Lira 2.2trillion - 294)
The Last Samurai - $899,351 (158)
Kingdom Of Heaven - $793,597 (190)
King Arthur - $646,700 (or $546,714 without p/v - 125)
Alexander - $593,924 (80)
The Passion Of The Christ - $585,138 (110)

G.O.R.A. - $3.361.251 (457)
Hirsiz Var - $1,604,847 (157)
Ocean’s Twelve - $927,007 (199)
Gelibolu (Gallipoli) - $771,999 (97)
Constantine - $756,307 (154)
The Ring Two - $649,824 (135) or $665,628 (111) Actuals

Poland:
The Passion Of The Christ - $1,244,627 (339.370 adms. or $1,230,796/336.244 adms. without p/v - 85)
Troy - $1.03m ($742,169/ 263.340 adms. or $488,043 without p/v - 86)
Alexander - $921,095 (178.209 adms. or $549,908/ 104.204 adms. without p/v - 125)*NY
Kingdom Of Heaven - $631,931 (126.762 adms. - 95)
The Last Samurai - $371,309 (or $355,221 without p/v - 80)

Pooh's Heffalump Movie - $519,094 (111.459 adms. or $442,775/ 95.535 adms. without p/v - 81)
Constantine - $397,322 (76.096 adms. or $386,312/ 73.628 adms. without p/v - 72)

Really interesting numbers. You have done a good job putting them together Archangel.

I have just one question. I live in Sweden, but I can not find Swedish Boxoffice numbers anywhere. I'm wondering where have you found the Swedish Boxoffice numbers? I've been looking all over the internet to find them, but without success. I would really appreciate an answer. [-o<

Swedish Numbers:

1 - 1 "Kingdom of Heaven" $0.4M $0.4M
2 1 4 "Million Dollar Baby" $0.1M $1.0M
3 - 1 "XXX: 2" $0.1M $0.2M
4 2 2 "Hostage" $0.1M $0.2M
5 3 3 "The Interpreter" $0.1M $0.3M
6 4 3 "Be Cool" $0.1M $1.4M
7 8 8 "Der Untergang" $0.1M $0.7M
8 5 8 "Hitch" $0.1M $1.7M
9 7 3 "Boogeyman" $0M $0.2M
10 6 7 "Robots" $0M $1.5M

hope that helps. please don't ask me to explain the number for Robots and boogeyman.

just means they didnt even gross .1 million this week.

Welcome to WOKJ.

Boogeyman and Robots made $0?