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Author:  Jmart [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:44 am ]
Post subject:  So Vick's Fucked
He's been ordered by the NFL not to attend Falcons training camp while the league figures out how they are going to handle the situation.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

I've always liked watching Vick play on the field, but I think his playing days are numbered because of this. Or they might as well be after the amount of hatred he is going to get, not just from the fans but from his former sponsors dropping out left and right. Then again, the league might have to do anything if he is convicted. I think it's highly unlikely he'll spend the full six years in jail because of his status, but I hope I'm wrong.
Author:  Excel [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:03 am ]
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^yeah; but the fact that he isn't actually being indicted today will allow him to play this season. He was telling the truth when he said he stupidly trusted family n friends with his property. Hell just always have a shadow over him like Kobe does.
Author:  Jmart [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:14 am ]
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Excel wrote:
^yeah; but the fact that he isn't actually being indicted today will allow him to play this season. He was telling the truth when he said he stupidly trusted family n friends with his property. Hell just always have a shadow over him like Kobe does.


He has been indicted. The article says....

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Vick's indictment states that several pit bulls at his Surry County home were killed if they weren't strong enough to fight. The federal government says Vick and his associates executed the dogs "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."


So clearly the federal government believes he was heavily involved.

And on top of that, he has to deal with the NFL's punishment - as they will face a tremendous amount of scrutiny if they do not. I suspect he'll most likely get the Pacman Jones treatment.
Author:  Excel [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:24 am ]
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espn news said the attorney; whose making the indictments today i think, wont include vick.
Author:  Chippy [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:22 pm ]
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They told him NOT to report to camp.

He's screwed. It's all about Joey Harrington in Atlanta!!!
Author:  TonyMontana [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:56 pm ]
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If he only raped somebody like Kobe did, he'd still be playing and adored by fans... but, he screwed with dogs. That was a big mistake, and now he will pay!

I never really cared about Vick anyhow, and I won't miss him. Besides it'll be fun watching Joey Harrington throw massive quantities of interceptions in Atlanta now.
Author:  TDH [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:42 pm ]
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I bet he don't take another snap in the NFL.
Author:  Chippy [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:31 am ]
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Joey Harrington is probably the best choice for Atlanta. He's experienced. He has Joe Horn to be like... his guide. And they can FINALLY utilize their running game instead of freaking out everytime they snapped the ball and worried that Vick might try and run it... again.
Author:  Squee [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:35 am ]
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ChipMunk-Y wrote:
Joey Harrington is probably the best choice for Atlanta. He's experienced. He has Joe Horn to be like... his guide. And they can FINALLY utilize their running game instead of freaking out everytime they snapped the ball and worried that Vick might try and run it... again.


Why would they be worried about that when it was the only time he was good?

Anyway, yeah, Im sure 6th time is a charm for Champagne Joe.
Author:  Chippy [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:59 am ]
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He had a CANNON arm. His receivers sucked.

I had a good feeling about this year though. And he crushed it. But I still believe Joey is their best option.
Author:  Squee [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:24 am ]
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ChipMunk-Y wrote:
He had a CANNON arm. His receivers sucked.

I had a good feeling about this year though. And he crushed it. But I still believe Joey is their best option.


He had no accuracy. Not all his receivers fault. And don't get me started on his deep ball. It looks like he just lobs it up and hopes someone will catch it, instead of throwing it deep.
Author:  TonyMontana [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:27 am ]
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ChipMunk-Y wrote:
He had a CANNON arm. His receivers sucked.

I had a good feeling about this year though. And he crushed it. But I still believe Joey is their best option.


I watched every Joey Harrington game in Detroit and even a few with Miami... he is at best a mediocre QB, but even that is being kind. He has a career passer rating of under 70, and has thrown more INTs than TDs.

You could argue that he has been on bad teams, but QBs before and after him have done better. Jon Kitna is hardly the greatest QB, but put his stats up agains Joey's with essentially the same team and he looks like a god. In 2006, Kitna had over 4000 yards and 20 touchdowns... Joey never came close to that... and again, Kitna is hardly a great QB.

Harrington will be a career backup QB and fade into oblivion. I doubt he'll even last all year in Atlanta, even without Vick. His main problems is his head... he self implodes way too easily and when he starts going downhill it is like watching a person in quicksand.
Author:  Chippy [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:34 am ]
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TonyMontana wrote:
ChipMunk-Y wrote:
He had a CANNON arm. His receivers sucked.

I had a good feeling about this year though. And he crushed it. But I still believe Joey is their best option.


I watched every Joey Harrington game in Detroit and even a few with Miami... he is at best a mediocre QB, but even that is being kind. He has a career passer rating of under 70, and has thrown more INTs than TDs.

You could argue that he has been on bad teams, but QBs before and after him have done better. Jon Kitna is hardly the greatest QB, but put his stats up agains Joey's with essentially the same team and he looks like a god. In 2006, Kitna had over 4000 yards and 20 touchdowns... Joey never came close to that... and again, Kitna is hardly a great QB.

Harrington will be a career backup QB and fade into oblivion. I doubt he'll even last all year in Atlanta, even without Vick. His main problems is his head... he self implodes way too easily and when he starts going downhill it is like watching a person in quicksand.


I blame the coaches :sweat:
Author:  TDH [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:20 am ]
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Atlanta's best QB is going to be Brohm, Brian Brohm.
Author:  Jim Halpert [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:54 pm ]
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ChipMunk-Y wrote:
Joey Harrington is probably the best choice for Atlanta. He's experienced. He has Joe Horn to be like... his guide. And they can FINALLY utilize their running game instead of freaking out everytime they snapped the ball and worried that Vick might try and run it... again.


as a person who got to watch joey "grow" in detroit even saw a few games in person. Dude is a fuckin disaster. He may have experience but that doesn't mean he's any good. Dude sucks.
Author:  TonyMontana [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:10 pm ]
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TDH wrote:
Atlanta's best QB is going to be Brohm, Brian Brohm.


Yeah... they'll probably be playing this year only for the draft, and a shot at Brohm.

Atlanta is such a mess right now (RB and QB are out), they should easily have the #1 pick... I don't even think that Detroit can out-suck them this year!
Author:  Jim Halpert [ Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:16 pm ]
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TonyMontana wrote:
TDH wrote:
Atlanta's best QB is going to be Brohm, Brian Brohm.


Yeah... they'll probably be playing this year only for the draft, and a shot at Brohm.

Atlanta is such a mess right now (RB and QB are out), they should easily have the #1 pick... I don't even think that Detroit can out-suck them this year!


lions blow. they depress me.
Author:  Excel [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:09 am ]
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roy williams is nastyy
Author:  Chippy [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:11 am ]
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TonyMontana wrote:
TDH wrote:
Atlanta's best QB is going to be Brohm, Brian Brohm.


Yeah... they'll probably be playing this year only for the draft, and a shot at Brohm.

Atlanta is such a mess right now (RB and QB are out), they should easily have the #1 pick... I don't even think that Detroit can out-suck them this year!


Dunn is only out for a month. He'll be ready for the season... though he'll likely split carries with Norwood
Author:  Caius [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:47 pm ]
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Vick is an idiot. I bet his favorite song is Atomic Dog.
Author:  TonyMontana [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:03 pm ]
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Jim Halpert wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:
TDH wrote:
Atlanta's best QB is going to be Brohm, Brian Brohm.


Yeah... they'll probably be playing this year only for the draft, and a shot at Brohm.

Atlanta is such a mess right now (RB and QB are out), they should easily have the #1 pick... I don't even think that Detroit can out-suck them this year!


lions blow. they depress me.


Last year was finally the breaking point for me. I've been a faithful Lions fan since the Billy Sims days when I was in Elementary School, but I just can't bare to watch them anymore... it's not worth wasting my Sunday afternoons to watch them find new ways to lose every game. I'm tired of the "almost" pulled out a victory games, or the promises every year. How Matt Millen is still employed is beyond me... the Lions are the biggest joke in pro sports under his rule.

I might watch their first couple losses this year, but I doubt I'll waste my time past that. Until they can show me they can win again, I'm not going to bother.
Author:  TDH [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:06 pm ]
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I sympathize, being a Saints fan.
Author:  Jedi Master Carr [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:12 pm ]
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TonyMontana wrote:
Jim Halpert wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:
TDH wrote:
Atlanta's best QB is going to be Brohm, Brian Brohm.


Yeah... they'll probably be playing this year only for the draft, and a shot at Brohm.

Atlanta is such a mess right now (RB and QB are out), they should easily have the #1 pick... I don't even think that Detroit can out-suck them this year!


lions blow. they depress me.


Last year was finally the breaking point for me. I've been a faithful Lions fan since the Billy Sims days when I was in Elementary School, but I just can't bare to watch them anymore... it's not worth wasting my Sunday afternoons to watch them find new ways to lose every game. I'm tired of the "almost" pulled out a victory games, or the promises every year. How Matt Millen is still employed is beyond me... the Lions are the biggest joke in pro sports under his rule.

I might watch their first couple losses this year, but I doubt I'll waste my time past that. Until they can show me they can win again, I'm not going to bother.


Millen is a moron. How he can still be employed shocks me. I feel sorry for Lion fans. The Falcolns could really blow up this year. Not sure they will be the worse team though. I think the Raiders will still be worse. They have nobody on that roster and probably will win 2 games.
Author:  TDH [ Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:20 am ]
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I think part of the problem is that Detroit has too many devoted fans :lol: . Have the stadium half-empty with continual blackouts and the owner might actually car what the fans think.
Author:  Rev [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So Vick's Fucked
Falcons' Vick to plead guilty to charges

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RICHMOND, Va. - Michael Vick agreed Monday to plead guilty to federal dogfighting conspiracy charges, a deal that leaves the Atlanta Falcons quarterback facing up to 18 months in prison and puts his NFL career in jeopardy.

Under the plea agreement, prosecutors will recommend Vick be sentenced to between a year and 18 months in prison, according to a government official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the terms have not yet been made final.

That would be a higher penalty than is usually recommended for first-time convicts, and reflects an attempt by the government to show that animal abusers will receive more than a slap on the wrist for their crimes, the official said.

U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson will have the final say on how much time Vick will ultimately spend in jail.

Vick's plea hearing is Aug. 27.

Defense attorney Billy Martin said Vick reached an agreement with federal prosecutors after consulting with his family during the weekend.

"Mr. Vick has agreed to enter a plea of guilty to those charges and to accept full responsibility for his actions and the mistakes he has made," Martin said in a statement. "Michael wishes to apologize again to everyone who has been hurt by this matter."

The NFL noted in a statement that Vick's admission wasn't in line with what he told commissioner Roger Goodell shortly after he was initially charged.

"We totally condemn the conduct outlined in the charges, which is inconsistent with what Michael Vick previously told both our office and the Falcons," the NFL said.

The league, which barred Vick from training camp, said it has asked the Falcons to withhold further action while the NFL's own investigation wraps up.

The Falcons said they were "certainly troubled" by news of the plea but would withhold further comment in compliance with Goodell's request.

In a telephone interview with the AP, Martin said Vick is paying a high price for allowing old friends to influence his behavior, but he emphasized that his client takes full responsibility.

"There were some judgment issues in terms of people he was associating with," Martin said. "He realized this is very serious, and he decided to plead so he can begin the healing process."

The lawyer said salvaging Vick's NFL career was never part of the discussions.

"Football is not the most important thing in Michael Vick's life," he said. "He wants to get his life back on track."

Vick is charged with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He had pleaded not guilty last month and vowed to clear his name at a November trial.

The plea deal was announced just a new grand jury began meeting. Prosecutors had said that a superseding indictment was in the works, but Vick's plea most likely means he will not face additional charges.

Three of Vick's original co-defendants already have pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against him if the case went to trial. Quanis Phillips of Atlanta and Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach signed statements saying the 27-year-old quarterback participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs by various means, including drowning and hanging.

Phillips, Peace and Tony Taylor, who pleaded guilty last month, also said Vick provided virtually all of the gambling and operating funds for his "Bad Newz Kennels" operation in rural Virginia, not far from Vick's hometown of Newport News.

The gambling allegations alone could trigger a lifetime ban under the NFL's personal conduct policy.

Vick's Atlanta attorney, Daniel Meachum, told the AP that Vick is taking a chance with his guilty plea as far as his career is concerned because there have been no discussions with the league in recent days.

"There's no promise or even a request of the league to make a promise," Meachum said.

Meachum said the plea deal involves only the federal case. He said he doesn't know if there have been any discussions about resolving Virginia state charges that may be brought against Vick.

The case began April 25 when investigators conducting a drug search at a massive home Vick built in Surry County found 66 dogs, some of them injured, and items typically used in dogfighting. They included a "rape stand" that holds aggressive dogs in place for mating and a "breakstick" used to pry open a dog's mouth.

Vick contended he knew nothing about a dogfighting operation at the home, where one of his cousins lived, and said he rarely visited. The former Virginia Tech star also blamed friends and family members for taking advantage of his generosity and pledged to be more scrupulous.

The July 17 indictment said dogs that lost fights or fared poorly in test fights were sometimes executed by hanging, electrocution or other brutal means. The grisly details fueled public protests against Vick and cost him some of his lucrative endorsement deals.
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