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| Author: | Levy [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:22 pm ] |
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Yes, this is about Lance Armstrong, the all-american hero who deep down everyone knew to use performance-enhancing drugs. But since the US doping system is so marvellous, the athletes have always been two steps ahead of the WADA. Now we know exactly how much: Six years. Six (!!!) frozen doping tests from Armstrong, taken during his first tour win in 1999 have been defrosted and tested for EPO, which was back in the time not trackable and yay, they all were positive. Denie what you will, Mr. Armstrong, but in 10 years when todays top-perfromance enhancing drugs will be trackable by tests, all the other Tour wins will proven to have come by cheating. Herewith dies the legend of the best cyclist there ever was. I wonder how many more US wins and medals in all of sports have come by cheating... |
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| Author: | Rev [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:45 pm ] |
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too little too late.
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| Author: | BacktotheFuture [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:54 pm ] |
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Yeah I'll trust the French when I trust the Nazis. |
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| Author: | Captain Muha [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:22 pm ] |
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agreed. i dont trust french press. quit knocking a guy down cause he keeps winning your race over and over again. |
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| Author: | Chippy [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:50 pm ] |
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Levy you just hate America cause we can kick your ass at everything |
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| Author: | Rev [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:00 pm ] |
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ChipMunky wrote: Levy you just hate America cause we can kick your ass at everything cept football (soccer), rugby and the rest of euro's sucky sports. 
j/k |
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| Author: | Rev [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:26 pm ] |
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Lance Armstrong denies doping allegations, says he is victim of a "witch hunt.'' http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap ... &type=lgns NO SHIT!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Armstrong, a frequent target of L'Equipe, vehemently denied the allegations. ``Unfortunately, the witch hunt continues and tomorrow's article is nothing short of tabloid journalism,'' Armstrong wrote on his Web site. ``I will simply restate what I have said many times: I have never taken performance-enhancing drugs.'' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| Author: | neo_wolf [ Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:37 pm ] |
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The French press are pathetic,this must be the hundred time they have accused armstrong. |
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| Author: | Levy [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:59 am ] |
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THis is no hate campaign by the french press. That the tests are positive is a fact, the only questionable thing about it, is if they can really match Armstrongs name to it - which if you had known the article the L'Equipe did pretty well. Every reknowned Doping expert agrees that EPO is trackable after all these years. Deny it as much as you will, your american hero is a cheater. Unfortunately the time is too long to strip him of any titles, but there always will be a shadow on his career from now on. And be honest: Deep down you always knew that he cheated. His connection with one of the most infamous doping doctors, him chicken away from most races besides the Tour where he always arrived on top of his game. That was no coincidence. It's like saying the records of Florence Griffith-Joyner were clean.... |
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| Author: | Dr. Lecter [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:44 am ] |
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But basically, you wish it was true, don't you? |
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| Author: | Rev [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:32 am ] |
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so he got caught back in '99 only? so for the rest of the years did they NOT test his piss? but still cheating may get u a win here or there NOT 7 straight fucking years.
you'd think one of the others guys cheating would've beaten him. |
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| Author: | Levy [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:39 pm ] |
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revolutions wrote: so he got caught back in '99 only? so for the rest of the years did they NOT test his piss? but still cheating may get u a win here or there NOT 7 straight fucking years. you'd think one of the others guys cheating would've beaten him. Well, after 1999 EPO wasn't the doping method du jour anymore... |
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| Author: | Levy [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:39 pm ] |
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Dr. Lecter wrote: But basically, you wish it was true, don't you? I'm glad that there is finally proof, yes |
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| Author: | Levy [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:43 pm ] |
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PARIS -- The director of the Tour de France said it was a "proven scientific fact" that Lance Armstrong had a performance-boosting drug in his body during his 1999 Tour win, and that the seven-time champion owed fans an explanation. In a story Wednesday, Jean-Marie Leblanc praised L'Equipe for an investigation that reported that six urine samples provided by Armstrong during the 1999 Tour tested positive for the red blood cell-booster EPO. The French sports daily on Tuesday accused Armstrong of using EPO during his first Tour win in 1999. "For the first time -- and these are no longer rumors or insinuations, these are proven scientific facts -- someone has shown me that in 1999, Armstrong had a banned substance called EPO in his body," Leblanc told the paper. "The ball is now in his camp. Why, how, by whom? He owes explanations to us and to everyone who follows the tour," Leblanc said. "What L'Equipe revealed shows me that I was fooled. We were all fooled." Armstrong, a frequent target of L'Equipe, vehemently denied the allegations on Tuesday. The Austin cycling great called the article "tabloid journalism." "I will simply restate what I have said many times: I have never taken performance-enhancing drugs," he said on his Web site. L'Equipe reported that six urine samples provided by the cancer-surviving American during the 1999 Tour tested positive for the red blood cell-booster EPO. The drug, formally known as erythropoietin, was on the list of banned substances at the time, but there was no effective test to detect it. The allegations surfaced six years later because EPO tests on the 1999 samples were carried out only last year -- when scientists at a lab outside Paris used them for research to perfect EPO testing. The national anti-doping laboratory in Chatenay-Malabry said it promised to hand its finding to the World Anti-Doping Agency, provided it was never used to penalize riders. Five-time cycling champion Miguel Indurain said he couldn't understand why scientists would use samples from the 1999 Tour for their tests. "That seems bizarre, and I don't know who would have the authorization to do it," he told L'Equipe. "I don't even know if it's legal to keep these samples." L'Equipe's investigation was based on the second set of two samples used in doping tests. The first set were used in 1999 for analysis at the time. Without those samples, any disciplinary action against Armstrong would be impossible, French Sports Minister Jean-Francois Lamour said. Lamour said he was forced to have doubts about L'Equipe's report because he had not seen the originals of some of the documents that appeared in the paper. "I do not confirm it," he told RTL radio. But he added: "If what L'Equipe says is true, I can tell you that it's a serious blow for cycling." The International Cycling Union did not begin using a urine test for EPO until 2001, though it was banned in 1990. For years, it had been impossible to detect the drug, which builds endurance by boosting the production of oxygen-rich red blood cells. Jacques de Ceaurriz, the head of France's anti-doping laboratory, which developed the EPO urine test, told Europe-1 radio that at least 15 urine samples from the 1999 Tour had tested positive for EPO. Separately, the lab said it could not confirm that the positive results were Armstrong's. It noted that the samples were anonymous, bearing only a six-digit number to identify the rider, and could not be matched with the name of any one cyclist. However, L'Equipe said it was able to make the match. On one side of a page Tuesday, it showed what it claimed were the results of EPO tests from anonymous riders used for lab research. On the other, it showed Armstrong's medical certificates, signed by doctors and riders after doping tests -- and bearing the same identifying number printed on the results. L'Equipe is owned by the Amaury Group whose subsidiary, Amaury Sport Organization, organizes the Tour de France and other sporting events. The paper often questioned Armstrong's clean record and frequently took jabs at him -- portraying him as too arrogant, too corporate and too good to be real. "Never to such an extent, probably, has the departure of a champion been welcomed with such widespread relief," the paper griped the day after Armstrong won his seventh straight Tour win and retired from cycling. Leblanc suggested that in the future, urine samples could be stashed away for future testing as detection methods improve -- another possible weapon in the fight against doping. "We're so tired of doping that all means are good as long as they are morally acceptable," he told L'Equipe. |
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| Author: | BacktotheFuture [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:47 pm ] |
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You guys smell that in the air? Jealousy. |
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| Author: | Levy [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:03 pm ] |
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BacktotheFuture wrote: You guys smell that in the air? Jealousy. Typical american response. The problem is that doping is in the US still a peccadillo. When I look at the penalties for steroid abuse in the MLB, I just have to laugh. When I see how US athletes are barely tested in training, when I see a scandal like BALCO having nearly no effect on the US sports system, I have to state that when it comes to doping controls the US of A is a third world country. Of course americans will stand sikde by side with Armstrong and denie all allegations. He is the posterboy having battled cancer and all and since doping is commonly accepted in the US, he will still be loved. But each and every other country in the world will treat him as the cheater he is... |
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| Author: | BacktotheFuture [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:04 pm ] |
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7-times. 7-times. Eats at your guts doesn't it. |
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| Author: | BacktotheFuture [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:56 pm ] |
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Plus, I saw the thing on ESPN. There's a lot more evidence pointing towards this being another witch-hunt by the Euro media, than it actually being true. |
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| Author: | Rev [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:17 pm ] |
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in america if you're beloved and white you're innocent till proven guilty.
and even when proven guilty you're still innocent in the eyes of your fans. white,cancer survivor and 7 time champ = good ole boy....for LIFE! |
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| Author: | Levy [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:03 am ] |
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BacktotheFuture wrote: Plus, I saw the thing on ESPN. There's a lot more evidence pointing towards this being another witch-hunt by the Euro media, than it actually being true. ESPN news is the sports equivalent to Fox news... |
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| Author: | Dr. Lecter [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:01 am ] |
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Levy wrote: BacktotheFuture wrote: You guys smell that in the air? Jealousy. Typical american response. I am not American and I'd give you the same response. |
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| Author: | neo_wolf [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:15 am ] |
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/m ... ml?cnn=yes Firing back Lance calls Tour director's remarks "preposterous" Posted: Wednesday August 24, 2005 11:37AM; Updated: Wednesday August 24, 2005 9:35PM NEW YORK (AP) -- -- Lance Armstrong went on the offensive Wednesday, saying it was "preposterous" for the Tour de France director to suggest the legendary cyclist "fooled" race officials and the sporting world by doping. Comments by Tour director Jean-Marie Leblanc appeared in the French sports daily L'Equipe on Wednesday, a day after the newspaper reported that six urine samples provided by Armstrong during the first of his seven Tour championships in 1999 tested positive for the red blood cell-booster EPO. "I actually spoke to him for about 30 minutes and he didn't say any of that stuff to me personally," Armstrong said, referring to Leblanc. "But to say that I've fooled the fans is preposterous. I've been doing this a long time. We have not just one year of only 'B' samples; we have seven years of 'A' and 'B' samples. They've all been negative," he said during a conference call from Washington. In his comments to L'Equipe, Leblanc sounded convinced that Armstrong was guilty of doping, saying the onus was on him to explain the newspaper's findings. "For the first time -- and these are no longer rumors, or insinuations, these are proven scientific facts -- someone has shown me that in 1999, Armstrong had a banned substance called EPO in his body," Leblanc told the newspaper. "The ball is now in his court. Why, how, by whom? He owes explanations to us and to everyone who follows the tour. Today, what L'Equipe revealed shows me that I was fooled. We were all fooled." The Tour did not respond Wednesday to a request by The Associated Press to interview Leblanc. The tour director was hardly the only target of Armstrong's ire Wednesday. He also questioned the validity of the science involved in testing samples that were frozen seven years ago and how those samples were handled since. He also charged officials at the suburban Paris laboratory that processed them with violating the World Anti-Doping Agency code by releasing the results to the newspaper. "It doesn't surprise me at all that they have samples. Clearly they've tested all of my samples since then to the highest degree. But when I gave those samples," he said, referring to 1999, "there was not EPO in those samples. I guarantee that." Fellow cyclists came to Armstrong's defense Wednesday. "Armstrong always told me that he never used doping products," five-time winner Eddy Merckx told Le Monde newspaper. "Choosing between a journalist and Lance's word, I trust Armstrong." L'Equipe is owned by the Amaury Group whose subsidiary, Amaury Sport Organization, organizes the Tour de France and other sporting events. The paper has often raised questions about whether Armstrong has ever used performance enhancing drugs. On Tuesday, the banner headline of its four-page report was "The Armstrong Lie." EPO, formally known as erythropoietin, was on the list of banned substances at the time Armstrong won the first of his seven Tours, but there was no effective test then to detect it. The allegations took six years to surface because EPO tests on the 1999 samples were carried out only last year -- when scientists at the national doping test lab outside Paris opened them up again for research to perfect EPO screening, with the blessing of the World Anti-Doping Agency. Another five-time Tour champion, Miguel Indurain, said he couldn't understand why scientists would use samples from the '99 Tour for their tests. "I feel the news is in bad taste and out of place, given that it happened six years ago after his first Tour victory, and after he won six more," Indurain wrote in the Spanish sports daily Marca. "With the little I have to go on, it is difficult to take a position, but I think at this stage there's no sense in stirring all this up." Jan Ullrich, the 1997 Tour champion, said he did not have all the details and did not want to be too quick to judge. "But clearly I would be very disappointed if the story were true," he wrote on his Web site. L'Equipe's investigation was based on the second set of two samples used in doping tests. The first set were used up in 1999 for analysis at the time. Without that first set of samples, any disciplinary action against Armstrong would be impossible, French Sports Minister Jean-Francois Lamour said. Lamour said he had doubts about L'Equipe's report because he had not seen the originals of some of the documents that appeared in the paper. "I do not confirm it," he told RTL radio. But he added: "If what L'Equipe says is true, I can tell you that it's a serious blow for cycling." The International Cycling Union did not begin using a urine test for EPO until 2001. For years, it had been impossible to detect the drug, which builds endurance by boosting the production of oxygen-rich red blood cells. Jacques de Ceaurriz, the head of France's anti-doping laboratory, which developed the EPO urine test, told Europe-1 radio that at least 15 urine samples from the 1999 Tour had tested positive for EPO. The year before, there were more than 40 positive samples, he said -- reflecting how widespread the drug was when riders thought they could not be caught. The lab said it could not confirm that the positive results cited in L'Equipe were Armstrong's. It noted that the samples were anonymous, bearing only a six-digit number to identify the rider, and could not be matched with any one cyclist. However, L'Equipe said it was able to confirm the samples were Armstrong's by matching the cyclist's medical certificates with the results of positive doping tests bearing the same sample numbers. Armstrong has insisted throughout his career that he has never taken drugs to enhance his performance. In his autobiography, "It's Not About the Bike," he said he was administered EPO during his chemotherapy treatment to battle cancer. "It was the only thing that kept me alive," he wrote. _______________________________________________________________________ |
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| Author: | Flava'd vs The World [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:47 pm ] |
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Levy wrote: "proven scientific fact" |
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| Author: | BacktotheFuture [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:01 pm ] |
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Levy wrote: BacktotheFuture wrote: Plus, I saw the thing on ESPN. There's a lot more evidence pointing towards this being another witch-hunt by the Euro media, than it actually being true. ESPN news is the sports equivalent to Fox news... And the French media is the equivalent to what exactly? |
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| Author: | Rev [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:00 pm ] |
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He's going to be on Larry King Live  tonight.
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