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Wow, looks like Canada has really flopped at these Olympics.

I think after doing better then expected in 2006, Winter Olympics, it appears they are all focused on dominating the 2010 Winter Olympics which will be in Canada. I think we should do well at these Olympics.

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When was the last poor showing of Canada at the Summer games?

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We only won 12 in Athens. 10 of which came during the second week of competition.


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We only won 12 in Athens. 10 of which came during the second week of competition.


So there's still hope! Right...?


ETA: Oooh... thanks Wiki... in 1960 (Rome), Canada only won one silver.

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I find it amazing that you all are convinced that Phelps is clean...


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Great gold in the individual woman archery. :) 22 golds now.

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Great gold in the individual woman archery. :) 22 golds now.


And at least half of them with unallowed assistance ... :lol:

The gymnasts have fake identities because they're under 16, weight lifting is a sport with no doping control and your female swimmers took so much anabolika that they look like men.
I give you diving and a few others, but everyone knows that China does everything illegal to get the most medals


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I find it amazing that you all are convinced that Phelps is clean...

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What do you guys think of Phelps?

I'm not sure if I like him...he's weird during interviews. Anyone think this could be a another Marion Jones situation? I hope not, but you never know...


I have major doubt. Marion Jones was the same during the 2000 Olympics, she killed the competition..

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Levy wrote:
I find it amazing that you all are convinced that Phelps is clean...

misutaa wrote:
What do you guys think of Phelps?

I'm not sure if I like him...he's weird during interviews. Anyone think this could be a another Marion Jones situation? I hope not, but you never know...


I have major doubt. Marion Jones was the same during the 2000 Olympics, she killed the competition..


That's not my main problem with him. He's breaking records that were themselves achieved under dubious circumstances by more than a second. That's not achievable with training. To get his leap into perspective: It's as if someone would run the 100 meters flat in 9,5 seconds. THAT would raise major suspicions, why does everyone in the US accept Phelps' wins?
There's a weird culture in the US to never question any achievements in sports. It was the same with Armstrong...

There are doping substances out there that stop the muscles from tiring which can't be detected in the blood yet. Luckily the blood samples will be frozen and in 5 years many of this years winners will be stripped of their medals


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The US generally is blind to its own players. They are making a big fiasco about the Chinese gymnasts but no one is questioning anything American..that is how it always is.

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Oh and by the way: The suits help maybe to explain a tenth of a second. They were mostly invented as a covert op, so they can say "We're so fast because of the suits". My ass!


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Oh and by the way: The suits help maybe to explain a tenth of a second. They were mostly invented as a covert op, so they can say "We're so fast because of the suits". My ass!



haha yea I heard that one too...the suits cannot help you shave 1 second on your time, let alone 2 or more.

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xiayun wrote:
Great gold in the individual woman archery. :) 22 golds now.


And at least half of them with unallowed assistance ... :lol:

The gymnasts have fake identities because they're under 16, weight lifting is a sport with no doping control and your female swimmers took so much anabolika that they look like men.
I give you diving and a few others, but everyone knows that China does everything illegal to get the most medals


If you are going to look at things so cynically, there is nothing I could argue with. I'll just say that the girl who won 200m butterfly most definitely doesn't look like a man. If you are talking about the ones from 10-20 years ago when Chinese women swimming was at their "peak", then I'd agree, but nothing suspicious about this one. And they only won 4 medals so far in swimming.

And men's gymnasts won fair and square. I also don't know what doping could help you in shooting, archery, or fencing, or badminton or table tennis. And Liu Xiang has been tested millions of times.

BTW, I do believe the design of the water cube stadium allows better time (e.g. they have 10 lanes instead of 8, and that makes less friction; the depth of the pool); whether it's enough to cause all those world records to be shattered in such matter is certainly debatable.

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Yes, he does. And Phelps doping by the pool invalidates his Beijing Olympics Gold?

Did you notice that Michael Phelps wears earphones and is listening music just before his every Olympic start, at Beijing's Olympiad Water Cube pool deck, be it finals or semifinals? I first noticed that before his first gold swim on August 10: Phelps removed earphones 2 minutes before the start, and he was the only swimmer who worn earphones at the pool deck. Intriguing scientific evidence testifies: Listening to music improves blood oxygen capacity and is a performance enhancement.

There could be several mechanisms, says Stefan Koelsch of Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences, in Leipzig, Germany, who has published 40 articles on the subject of how the body reacts to music. Dr. Koelsch says that "music can have influences on the breathing rate (e.g. via emotional effects such an increased arousal) which will alter oxygen levels in the blood, or relaxing effects (so that fewer muscles consume oxygen, which also increases oxygen levels)." He says that his group "has reported clear changes in breathing rate on a conference last year, with breathing rate being higher during pleasant music." In line with Koelsch conclusion are the data of the research article by Luciano Bernardi group of the University of Pavia, Italy, implying that the withdrawal of music shortly before the swim race induces relaxing effects noted by Koelsch.

Evidence comes from the research done with human infants. It showed that music causes better saturation of hemoglobin with oxygen (a so-called SPO(2) parameter, compared with control subjects receiving no music, indicating an "enhancement of oxygen transfer") and that increased by music, oxygen saturation returns to the baseline faster compared with control, making it hard to detect the transient oxygen saturation shortly thereafter. While Koelsch preferred his own explanation on how music can improve body oxygen capacity, Dr. Alexander Cherniak, a researcher at the Chuchalin Pulmonology Institute of Moscow, Russia agrees that medical experimentation with infants allows good standardization of the research protocol, appropriate statistics and could be projected onto the adults.

So what? Can one call listening to music shortly before entering the swimming pool for competition a performance enhancement? Yes, say both Koelsch and Cherniak. If so, how long could this enhancement last? "Duration [of the effect is] not certain, from seconds to minutes," adds Koelsch. Beijing Olympic and world records by Phelps fall into the expert's projected time frame. Yes, testifies Dr. Vance Bergeron, of Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon, Laboratoire de Physique in Lyon, France: "[M]usic next to the swimming pool, less than 2 minutes before the start could indicate performance enhancement because of transient increase of blood oxygen capacity."

Bergeron adds that such a performance enhancement is "a bio-chemical feedback mechanism from an external source. The external source in the present case, music, is available to everyone, not harmful to the athlete or his peers, and carried out under full disclosure, hence I do not see how this conflicts with fair play and honesty," but says that "I am not an expert on the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)."

Well, one doesn't have to be an expert on WADA policies, as the scientific evidence provided herein enforces all to take WADA code as is. The Prohibited List 2008 of The World Anti-Doping Code reads (www.wada-ama.org):

PROHIBITED METHODS
Article M1. ENHANCEMENT OF OXYGEN TRANSFER
The following are prohibited:
2. Artificially enhancing the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen...

Straightforward ruling results in a straightforward conclusion: Listening to music through earphones before the start is in line with other measures prohibited. Therefore, Phelps' Beijing swimming golds is faked and should go to others who battle for it fairly.


Interesting article but as long as no one is restricting him from listening to music just before his races then I can't see how it can be an issue.

As to whether he's really doping, I don't believe it. He's just that good, that gifted. I don't recall much complaint about him 4 years ago when he was in his first Olympics building his name and it's not like he hasn't been breaking his own world records the past few years either. All the while, he has been tested over and over and over again with nothing found nor suspicious.

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In other sports, I'm pretty disappointed that Venus and Serena got bounced. That's a bummer to me. I can't believe Federer just let Blake beat him. I guess he wasn't much interested in being Olympic champion. I'm sure he'll be 100x more focused for the US open.

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Great gold in the individual woman archery. :) 22 golds now.


And at least half of them with unallowed assistance ... :lol:

The gymnasts have fake identities because they're under 16, weight lifting is a sport with no doping control and your female swimmers took so much anabolika that they look like men.
I give you diving and a few others, but everyone knows that China does everything illegal to get the most medals


If you are going to look at things so cynically, there is nothing I could argue with. I'll just say that the girl who won 200m butterfly most definitely doesn't look like a man. If you are talking about the ones from 10-20 years ago when Chinese women swimming was at their "peak", then I'd agree, but nothing suspicious about this one. And they only won 4 medals so far in swimming.

And men's gymnasts won fair and square. I also don't know what doping could help you in shooting, archery, or fencing, or badminton or table tennis. And Liu Xiang has been tested millions of times.

BTW, I do believe the design of the water cube stadium allows better time (e.g. they have 10 lanes instead of 8, and that makes less friction; the depth of the pool); whether it's enough to cause all those world records to be shattered in such matter is certainly debatable.



its called sour loser.

Unless otherwise proven I believe chinese athletes are the best prepared ones this time. I guess they were charged bcos it is happening in their country.

I would also hate for people to be cynical and think phelps is on drugs. It is really unfair and spoils all the fun of following the sport.

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:cheer: in about 10 minutes Phelps going for gold #6 in the 200m IM. :cheer:

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that little "what is michael phelps" thing was pretty crazy. no wonder he eats a weeks worth of food a day, he burns 4k calories per workout.


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he is a machine :robot:

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Another world record :zonks:


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Phelps is fantastic! 6 Gold, 2 to go. :D

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congratz to USA Rebecca Soni :cheer: beating out the heavily favored Leisel Jones of Australia for teh gold in the women 200m breastroke. :thumbsup:

USA earned total of 5 medals in swimming finals tonight.
3 golds, 1 silver and 1 bronze.

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He's amazing to watch.

All you have to do is watch him to know that it's all natural.

His strokes just SWALLOW the water in front of him. It's just like he's slicing through it.

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Damn it. Coughlin missed 100M freestyle gold. Just a bronze.

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