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Chippy
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 Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Yes Grill. Boston trying to get the greatest closer of all time is a slap in the face to Papelbon.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Chipo DiCaprio wrote: Yes Grill. Boston trying to get the greatest closer of all time is a slap in the face to Papelbon. Munk. Stop being a jerk and a pain in the ass. Riveria is 41 and isn't the greatest right now. And some here were saying last year than Paps was better than than Riveria. And in different terms, who would you rather have right now: Peyton Manning, Brett Farve or Tom Brady.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Rivera IS the best closer in the game, right now.
And what a stupid question.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Red Sox sign Carl Crawford.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Damn, the Halos let one go away. Thanks alot Tony. Now we have to go after Beltre and Soriano.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Chipo DiCaprio wrote: Red Sox sign Carl Crawford. Well Scottie. As I said last year the Red Sox are the same as the Yankees. As this guy gets the highest contract ever by a guy who never hit 20 HRs. Beating the old record by Ichiro by 50 Million. And if they give Gonzalez that 160 Million $ contract? But I wonder if this is the reason that the Red Sox didn't announce a new Gonzalez contract. Do they still have the money. Or will they wait as he only makes 6 Million next year? PS. Heard people call Crawford the best outfielder. And he is close but is he better than Ichiro, who is still setting new records every year in his 10 year.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Angels sign Scott Downs to a 3-year contract. Good signing, another lefty in the bullpen. Our pitching is pretty much set, now we need to sign more offense.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion I am sick of Cliff Lee and his agent. He told the Texas Rangers that he wouldn't give them the $# to sign with them.
Shit you know you can get up to 7 Years at Almost 25 Million per Year from the Yankees.
And at least 20 Million + and 6/7 years from other teams.
So just go to the team that you want to play for. And tell them the price you want.
Especially since you are hurting every team. Especially the team that you will sign with ... As all teams that want you are holding up doing any real deals.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion He's not hurting any team by waiting. Only the Yankees. Because apparently they don't know how to multi-task.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Chipo DiCaprio wrote: He's not hurting any team by waiting. Only the Yankees. Because apparently they don't know how to multi-task. Yes he is. Every team that wants him, including the Rangers. As all teams would be doing other stuff with the money and or other trades. And as I said before but you are too clueless, the Rangers asked for his top # ... And the agent acted like a smuck, saving give us your top number. So like I said before, it is too bad that he can't make it easy on everyone and go to his top team with the money # he wants.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion When does that EVER happen?
EVERY free agent does that in EVERY sport.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Chipo DiCaprio wrote: When does that EVER happen?
EVERY free agent does that in EVERY sport. Not if a Player only wants to play in one place. And it would make it a lot easier on the player also. As he would be signed already and have the first part of the money in the bank.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Why would he sign NOW? He's not a long time Ranger, and he's the top pitcher on the market. DRIVE THE PRICE UP!
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Chipo DiCaprio wrote: Why would he sign NOW? He's not a long time Ranger, and he's the top pitcher on the market. DRIVE THE PRICE UP! Price is up there and isn't going up much higher. As it is pretty much set between, 6 or 7 Years between 145 - 165 Million.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion He can get more.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Chipo DiCaprio wrote: He can get more. More than 165. Bet he doesn't. But what is your top guess?
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Grill wrote: And as I said before but you are too clueless, the Rangers asked for his top # ... And the agent acted like a smuck, saving give us your top number. You know how agents work right... best interest for the client? Why would he give the Rangers his top asking price? Why would he tip his hand like that? If he can sneak some extra millions out of either the Rangers or Yankees, why wouldn't he? This is the very purpose of an agent. Quote: Especially since you are hurting every team. Especially the team that you will sign with ... As all teams that want you are holding up doing any real deals. Huh?  If he's hurting every team... then he's hurting no one... since every team is effected. And how is he hurting the team he'll sign with? They'll have got em'. Lee was their top priority. Besides, this is why teams have more than one plan during free agency when going after a certain player. I guarantee you the Rangers already have a plan for a pitcher if Lee decides to go to the Yankees. The pitcher might come from the farm system, but they have a plan nonetheless. Very rarely do teams go "all out" to get someone, miss getting them, and then sit back with their tail between their legs. _________________My DVD Collection
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Jmart wrote: Grill wrote: And as I said before but you are too clueless, the Rangers asked for his top # ... And the agent acted like a smuck, saving give us your top number. You know how agents work right... best interest for the client? Why would he give the Rangers his top asking price? Why would he tip his hand like that? If he can sneak some extra millions out of either the Rangers or Yankees, why wouldn't he? This is the very purpose of an agent. *** Sorry but I think the numbers are out there already. For 6 years, ask your favorite team for 150. Which is high! And for 7 years 170. Then they can negoitate. Quote: Especially since you are hurting every team. Especially the team that you will sign with ... As all teams that want you are holding up doing any real deals. Huh? If he's hurting every team... then he's hurting no one... since every team is effected. And how is he hurting the team he'll sign with? They'll have got em'. Lee was their top priority. Besides, this is why teams have more than one plan during free agency when going after a certain player. I guarantee you the Rangers already have a plan for a pitcher if Lee decides to go to the Yankees. The pitcher might come from the farm system, but they have a plan nonetheless. Very rarely do teams go "all out" to get someone, miss getting them, and then sit back with their tail between their legs. * First question answer above. And on this, yes he is hurting all teams. As all teams are waiting on his decision. And can't go forward with other options. And even the team he signs with, they are waiting on other situations also. Who to sign and who to let go. Etc.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Who do you think released that figure? If you say anyone other than the agent, you're wrong. It's the second step in negotiations. He's playing chicken with the Rangers and Yankees. He wants to see who will blink last and pay the most (though at this point if Lee stays in Texas it's because he wants to).
And Grill, the only teams who are waiting on Lee right now are the Rangers, Yankees and maybe a third party who could swoop in. And again, THOSE TEAMS HAVE BACKUP PLANS IF LEE DOESN'T SIGN WITH THEM. And at this point were only talking about two teams, not all 30. This deal isn't preventing any teams from making any other moves.
And how much of a problem will the team have who gets Lee? They get arguably the best pitcher in baseball and then they have to figure out who to get rid of? How many teams would kill for that "problem"?
Do you not understand the free agency process? This happens every year. Is it just a coincidence that it involves Lee and that he didn't immediately pick one of two of your hometown teams?
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Jmart wrote: Who do you think released that figure? If you say anyone other than the agent, you're wrong.
* First - made up those numbers as high numbers he should go to his team of choice. And I think that the Yankees released some numbers, saying it was in the CC range. Or 23 to 24 Million Range.
It's the second step in negotiations. He's playing chicken with the Rangers and Yankees. He wants to see who will blink last and pay the most (though at this point if Lee stays in Texas it's because he wants to).
* that is exacting my point as I think he is leading to Texas who won't have the highest number. So he is playing with shit.
* He should go to Texas and say the Yankees are going to pay 25 Million per year. What is the highest you will pay?
And Grill, the only teams who are waiting on Lee right now are the Rangers, Yankees and maybe a third party who could swoop in. And again,
* No shit. As I said or implied that the teams being held up, were the teams chasing Lee.
THOSE TEAMS HAVE BACKUP PLANS IF LEE DOESN'T SIGN WITH THEM.
* Really, like how are they going to get another #1 Pitcher like Lee. Sure not just for straight money like Lee.
* And is there anyone even close that can be traded? Greikw Maybe, but he is going to cost a lot in players. And he doesn't want to play for some teams, supposedly.
And at this point were only talking about two teams, not all 30. This deal isn't preventing any teams from making any other moves.
And how much of a problem will the team have who gets Lee? They get arguably the best pitcher in baseball and then they have to figure out who to get rid of? How many teams would kill for that "problem"?
* Much harder than that. As both the Yankees and Texas will still have to add other players to keep up in their division. Especially Texas, who has a lot of free agents.
Do you not understand the free agency process? This happens every year.
* and my original statement was, why doesn't the # 1 wanted player, make it easier on himself and the other teams.
* The NFL realized this as they let teams sign the #1 draft pick early and then everyone can move down the line quicker.
Is it just a coincidence that it involves Lee and that he didn't immediately pick one of two of your hometown teams?
* wrong, I would make this comment about anyone. And notice how other players didn't do this. Werth, Riverian Crawford!!!
* Especially Crawford, he could have gotten more money, if he went back to the Yanks and Angels and said. Red Sox offered this. Beat it. Then have the Red Sox start again.
But no Werth, Riveria and Crawford were happy with their great deals
* Proving me right and that Lee is the exception.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Grill wrote: * First - made up those numbers as high numbers he should go to his team of choice. And I think that the Yankees released some numbers, saying it was in the CC range. Or 23 to 24 Million Range. So you lied basically?  Quote: * that is exacting my point as I think he is leading to Texas who won't have the highest number. So he is playing with shit. I'm sure if he picks Texas he'll be hurting with the $130+ million contract. Quote: * He should go to Texas and say the Yankees are going to pay 25 Million per year. What is the highest you will pay? That's not Lee's job. That's his agent's. Quote: * No shit. As I said or implied that the teams being held up, were the teams chasing Lee. In other words you don't have a point. Quote: * Really, like how are they going to get another #1 Pitcher like Lee. Sure not just for straight money like Lee. Obviously there aren't any pitchers readily available that are as good as Lee. That doesn't mean you can't still trade or sign a decent starter. Quote: * And is there anyone even close that can be traded? Greikw Maybe, but he is going to cost a lot in players. And he doesn't want to play for some teams, supposedly. Again, you're not going to get someone of equal value, but you can get a decent pitcher with a much cheaper contract. Quote: * Much harder than that. As both the Yankees and Texas will still have to add other players to keep up in their division. Especially Texas, who has a lot of free agents. That would still occur regardless of the Lee situation. Why do you think these two teams organizations are made up of complete morons? Quote: * and my original statement was, why doesn't the # 1 wanted player, make it easier on himself and the other teams. Why should he make it easier on the other teams? His job is to pitch and get as much money as possible. He's right now deciding if he wants to go to New York for the maximum amount of dollars, or if he wants to stay in Texas for slightly less. The bright side for Lee is with either decision he doesn't have to worry about anything financially. Quote: And notice how other players didn't do this. Werth, Riverian Crawford!!! You know this how? Quote: * Especially Crawford, he could have gotten more money, if he went back to the Yanks and Angels and said. Red Sox offered this. Beat it. Then have the Red Sox start again. And you know he didn't because you were there with him during the negotiating process. I'm guessing that's exactly what he did. _________________My DVD Collection
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Lee Should direct his agent to do that. As Lee calls the shots.
And Crawford didn't do that. As he only got 1 offer from the Yankees. He didn't play anyone off of the other.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Grill wrote: Lee Should direct his agent to do that. As Lee calls the shots.
And Crawford didn't do that. As he only got 1 offer from the Yankees. He didn't play anyone off of the other. Didn't Torri Hunter of the Angels himself say that it was coming down to the Angels and Red Sox? With the Yankees, I count three teams there. _________________My DVD Collection
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion Jmart wrote: Grill wrote: Lee Should direct his agent to do that. As Lee calls the shots.
And Crawford didn't do that. As he only got 1 offer from the Yankees. He didn't play anyone off of the other. Didn't Torri Hunter of the Angels himself say that it was coming down to the Angels and Red Sox? With the Yankees, I count three teams there. Again Lee has gotten multiple offers from teams as Crawford got 1. And then he just dealt with the Red Sox. A much better thing ro do that what Lee is doing.
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Re: 2010 Major League Baseball Discussion I'm sure the Angels didn't make Crawford an offer. He's not that good of an outfielder...
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