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Very impressive ascension to the top of the big board!

Poor Rev in free fall atm.

I'm kicking Rev out after I beat you and...Magnus (*evil laugh*)

Which might be better for me. I'd rather play Alex and his shitty RBs than ChipMunky

lol

If u want to win, I wouldn't play Cutler

His track record suggests that consecutive worthwhile games are very unlikely

My vote would be for 2 but we have not decided yet. What does everyone think? 1 or 2 Keepers for next year?

2 is fine by me lol I'm keeping Gronk & Ray Rice

2 sounds great.

Fucking Calais Campbell.

How is it going to work? I've never done a keeper league before, but I've heard that it usually involves 'giving' up the draft pick for the keeper. So if I decided to keep Arian Foster as a keeper, I'd be giving up my #1 draft pick, yes?

If this is how it works...a good chunk of my team was picked up after the draft. Do I inherit, say, Demaryius Thomas' draft position when Chip took him? What about for waiver positions? I'd imagine Levy wants Alfred Morris, who I drafted in the 9th or 10th round and foolishly dropped. Does Alfred Morris have no 'draft' slot -- or does Levy give up his 9th or 10th round slot?

From the recap...

They go where they were drafted, even if they were later dropped. I can't think of any worthy keepers that came off the wire this year, but they'd be like 11th rounders I assume?

Idk...maybe someone like Kaepernick or Luck since the QB position is so important in our league (bc, for whatever reason. QB passing touchdowns are worth as much as the WR receiving it).

Probably because a TD is 6 points. I hate leagues where a TD is 4 points. Why handicap a QB like that? You only get to play 1 of them and they are the most important player on the field.

Luck was drafted rather early I think.

And I think our crazy scoring system is much better than the standard one. I think we've got it balanced pretty well.

Guess we fundamentally disagree on the positions. I'd be okay with 6 pt QB touchdowns if WR/RB touchdowns were 8 pts AND we eliminated the ridiculous completion/incompletion points. Sorry, but you don't deserve a point for completing a 5-yd pass.

The completion points make the top tier QB's EXTREMELY valuable.

I voted for three keepers just because we have 24 spots overall and it would REALLY reduce the time for the draft. Maybe you could make at least one defensive player mandatory so not every QB and RB ist taken for next year

if we do three, at least one defensive player needs to be mandatory, to your point

the scoring definitely needs fixing, btw.

i know smurfs is probably sad that lil' breezy only got him 11 points...but the fact that lil' breezy got 11 points at all is ridiculous. how do you get 11 points throwing 5 interceptions and 0 touchdowns? in my other league, that's 3.6 points!

clearly, an interception deserves more weight than simply two 'incompletions' for a qb or two 'tackles' for a defensive player. a tackle or incompletion itself does not result in a turnover; a fumble or an interception does.

here are my suggested changes in all areas, however crazy:
1) eliminate completion/ incompletion bonuses for qb's
2) eliminate yardage bonuses for qb's -- or, at least raise it to 300 yds (case in point -- drew brees got a yardage bonus today; matt ryan did not. those 10 pts made up for his 5 interceptions, putting both qb's even at 11 pts)
3) switch qb pass yardage earning from 50 yds/pt to 25 yds/pt
4) equalize points lost for a qb sack/ points gained for a defensive player sack at -2/2 (currently -1/3 or -1/2, respectively?)
5) make a 'defensive/ special teams' unit reflective of the title of the positions -- and allow for special team touchdowns
6) stop giving special team yardage credit to offensive roster players
7) make rushing and receiving TDs worth 8 pts (+2 over a passing TD)
8) increase value of a defensive player interception vis-a-vis a sack (it should be the same as the points from a fumble -- 1 for the fumble, 2 for the recovery, for 3 total)

oh, and add game-time waivers
and add trade review so we don't have to deal with fair stuff being rejected and causing a cycle of rejections
and for the record, there's a good chance i lose my place next season anyway since magnus likely won't rejoin, so you can ignore all these comments too

I like the system as it is for the most part. As far as Brees vs Ryan, Brees had to take more risks and earned more yards. Also, if you got rid of completions/inc then you'd have to get rid of receptions. I'm not in favor of any of that. I'm also not a fan of devaluing the QB when you only get to play one of them whereas you can have up to 3 wides or 3 rbs and you'd want to give those players even more points for a TD? Doesn't make sense to me.

VETO 1) eliminate completion/ incompletion bonuses for qb's
VETO 2) eliminate yardage bonuses for qb's -- or, at least raise it to 300 yds (case in point -- drew brees got a yardage bonus today; matt ryan did not. those 10 pts made up for his 5 interceptions, putting both qb's even at 11 pts)
VETO 3) switch qb pass yardage earning from 50 yds/pt to 25 yds/pt
MAYBE4) equalize points lost for a qb sack/ points gained for a defensive player sack at -2/2 (currently -1/3 or -1/2, respectively?)
AYE 5) make a 'defensive/ special teams' unit reflective of the title of the positions -- and allow for special team touchdowns
VETO 6) stop giving special team yardage credit to offensive roster players
VETO 7) make rushing and receiving TDs worth 8 pts (+2 over a passing TD)
MAYBE 8) increase value of a defensive player interception vis-a-vis a sack (it should be the same as the points from a fumble -- 1 for the fumble, 2 for the recovery, for 3 total)

oh, and add game-time waivers
Not interested in the Commissioner deciding Trades. and add trade review so we don't have to deal with fair stuff being rejected and causing a cycle of rejections

in my view, devaluing the qb is allowing, as our current system does, drew brees to squeak by with 11 pts by virtue of high yardage, when he pretty much cost new orleans the game with his play. your point is having 3 WRs leads to point outcomes that don't reflect game-day performance -- my point is that our current QB point scheme is so confusing that in most cases, relative fantasy point performance in a given week does not reflect logical ranking of game day performance

the only reason you like the current scheme is because the completion/ incompletion crap has been such a gift to you. drew brees got you 770 points last year, and aaron rodgers got his team owner 660. the 110 point differential is almost exclusively in completion/ incompletion points. no logical person would state that drew brees had a superior season last year. drew brees needed 150 more pass attempts to give his team two fewer wins. in our league, that is a gift. it's bonkers!

there are also times when our system gets it right...like when cam newton gets negative points for being an incompetent nincompoop. but i'd say it gets it wrong more of the time, particularly because of the completion/ incompletion stuff.

and i don't think most PPR leagues give completion points, but maybe i'm wrong. my other league is PPR, and we don't do that.

that's my main crusade. eliminate 'em, or make them less valuable.

1) No, seems to me a fun little quirk of our league
2) Raising it to 300 Yards sounds okay to me. This has become such a passing league that the equivalent to 100 Rushing Yards seems to me 300 Passing Yards, not 200
3) agree with that
4) No, has more to do with the O-Line than with the QB performance
5) Yes, but only if a defense isn't hurt by points the other teams defense makes with TAINTs
6) or to defensive players
7) NO!!!
8) No, because Fumbles are more often recovered by other defensive players so 3 points for INTs would be too much in comparison. The only thing I would change is give 2 points for the fumble and 1 for the recovery because recovering a fumble is more luck, stripping the ball is skill

It's fantasy football. Why would a QB losing a game have an effect on it?

wow if want so many changes just start own league, qb was already devalued this year compared to last year anyway since rushing/ passing yards became 10 rather than 20 points.

also veto VETO 1) eliminate completion/ incompletion bonuses for qb's

also veto VETO 2) eliminate yardage bonuses for qb's -- or, at least raise it to 300 yds (case in point -- drew brees got a yardage bonus today; matt ryan did not. those 10 pts made up for his 5 interceptions, putting both qb's even at 11 pts)

maybe VETO 3) switch qb pass yardage earning from 50 yds/pt to 25 yds/pt

maybe MAYBE4) equalize points lost for a qb sack/ points gained for a defensive player sack at -2/2 (currently -1/3 or -1/2, respectively?)


disagree, like current scoring system where only DEFENSIVE special teams player should count. eg field goal kicker fumbles/get blocked and defensive team returns for touchdown. or punt receiver fumbles and other team td. AYE 5) make a 'defensive/ special teams' unit reflective of the title of the positions -- and allow for special team touchdowns


also veto, just make an effort to draft kick/punt returners like harvin or Cobb VETO 6) stop giving special team yardage credit to offensive roster players

veto VETO 7) make rushing and receiving TDs worth 8 pts (+2 over a passing TD)

levy suggestion MAYBE 8) increase value of a defensive player interception vis-a-vis a sack (it should be the same as the points from a fumble -- 1 for the fumble, 2 for the recovery, for 3 total)

agree; oh, and add game-time waivers

also veto
Not interested in the Commissioner deciding Trades. and add trade review so we don't have to deal with fair stuff being rejected and causing a cycle of rejections[/quote]

Well lets have an actual vote on all of this stuff at the start of next season rather than just talking talking shit to each other.

In the current poll, I voted for 2, but I'd be OK with 3 if one of them was a defensive player. So 2+*?