I think it got vetoed just because other players don't like me and wanted to prove a point against me at your expense. Now that I see their point and they see that you really wanted the trade to go through then maybe they won't veto it on your behalf.

I vetoed yours because you were/are trying to deprive me of an RB play next week -- I'm assuming you vetoed my trade. Rescind your veto of my trade with Chip and I'll rescind mine...and maybe Thug can execute both manually...

Sorry, but this I veto yours because you vetoed mine is stupid.

For the record: I vetoed the Bowe trade because I think it doesn't matter if both teams fill a need with it. If I have Brady and Rodgers as QBs but no running backs, I wouldn't trade one of them for, let's say Ahmad Bradshaw.

In our league where receptions are extra-rewarded with points it is just not an acceptable trade to have Bowe involved for RB backups or RBs that don't get handed the ball very often. This is my point of view, I can't speak for anyone else who vetoed it.

For the record, I think vetoing any trade is pretty lame if there's not a huge disparity. I vetoed Alex's because he doesn't have the same logic -- and it will, sadly, affect my Week 8 outcome if the trade doesn't go thru. So that's where I draw the line.

I'd like to believe I'm playing in a fair league -- again, no one's giving up the farm, and everyone's making trades that they think are mutually beneficial

Make me an offer for Bowe, then. I need RB help, and I have extra WRs, but no one seems willing to trade with me.

To explain a bit, I think there's a good chance trixster wins the trade.

First, there's a big risk for me in trading for Dwayne Bowe. He had good numbers w/ Cassel as his QB, but sucked when Quinn took over as QB. Quinn is going to be starter this week even though Cassel is healthy again.

Also, there is rumors that he will be traded to Miami, which would leave me w/ 3 rostered WR's in Miami and possibly all of their values worthless if they cannibalize each other.

In making this trade for Bowe, I'm hoping none of the above happens.

As for my 3 lottery ticket rb's i'm offering, there's a chance of each of the following happening:

*Alex Green's is clear RB starter in GB especially now that they cut Starks. He would have had above-average numbers if he'd score even one touchdow. There is a good chance he may score touchdown or break 100 points in the future to complement his respectable rushing yards.

*Andre Brown has super-stud numbers whenever Ahmad Bradshaw is out injured. Even last week when Bradshaw isn't injured, he still vultured a TD. There's a good chance Bradshaw gets injured again some week and Brown would be again a super-stud fill-in.

*LaRod had a big breakout last week. There's a good chance he could repeat this performance sometime in the future against the right matchup.

Now there is still a chance that none of the three above happens and they all don't pan out, but I think it is likely that at least one will. If more than one of them break out, it would be a huge steal of a trade for trixster. If I didn't already have too many RB's rostered I wouldn't do this trade.

What would u give me for Ray Rice, Trix??

And Alex, your logic applies to every trade.

"Jacquizz Rodgers has breakout potential. He averaged 5.0 yards a carry in Week x. If he continues that going forward and gets more opportunities -- or if Michael Turner gets benched because he has another DUI, he could be very valuable"

Facts:
- GB is a passing team and Green will be used as a change-of-pace back. He will not be getting a Marshawn Lynch workload.
- Bradshaw is definitely injury-prone, but has cemented his place as the starter with two breakout games. Andre Brown will get goal-line opportunities, but that's a risky play in a PPR league with yardage bonuses (if TDs were worth 8 pts, instead of 6...this might be a bigger selling point). Andre Brown was never a 'super-stud'...he had a breakout game against...Carolina, was it?
- Arizona has a tepid offense and will never have a significant enough lead to give dude-with-the-uber-long-name a sufficient workload.

If you were serious about trading with trixster, you would offer Rashad Jennings (you must have him, right?) over these three guys.

trixster, again, if my trade goes thru, I'm open for trading after this week. Yes, even Arian Foster is up for grabs. If I have Forte, I'd consider a Manning-Nelson-MoJo trade for Newton-Foster-T.Smith/M.Floyd...or something. I don't know.

Just, like, don't veto my trade.

The veto against the Gronkowski/Green trade is ridiculous. That was a GREAT trade, exactly how it should be

Awww. Why is everyone so veto crazy?

it's odd because in my other league, the challenge is getting trade offers...not actually getting trades passed.

People veto for their own reasons. Quit complaining.

Maybe people don't like any trades.
Don't want YOU to get better.
Really think it's unbalanced one way or the other.
Don't like you.

Get over it.

so you just vetoed both trades? prick.

Alright then, a veto war it is.

edit* NM theres nothing left to veto. The ZOMBIES got everything!

We might as well abolish trades next year.

Or just abolish vetoes.

or just switch to commissioner rules, because this shit be lame

Just...stop...bitching...

It took 5 people to veto those trades not just 1 person.

10 trades have gone through and 7 were vetoed.
The answer for those vetoed ones is to try again in a different way such as a 1 for 1 rather than a bundle of players.

If it's changed to the commissioner then that just puts all the pressure on him having to listen to you whiny people and others sending him PMs over every trade request both for and against.

You are wrong. It takes four people to veto a trade, first. And, honestly, it's bullshit -- fantasy is fun because part of the scope involves a 'market' for modifying your team (that's why they always say...'the draft is only half of the game')

As far as I can tell, if two people get together to make a trade that they both think is 'fair'...but people veto it for your reasons (because they don't like the team manager...or because they think it makes the team stronger...or because they're playing that team next week) -- or for any reason other than 'it's completely disproportionate' -- you are taking away the 'market' aspect of the game

Your reasons to veto are stupid. Trades are intended to 'fix' team weak spots -- therefore, making one's team stronger. And if making a team 'stronger' is grounds to veto a trade, then every worthwhile and effective trade is going to be vetoed and people simply aren't going to trade -- there's only a market for executing trades if there's an opportunity for teams to mutually gain from engaging in it

In my trade with Chip, for example, we were both 'better off' completing the trade (and for the record, Alex, the differential was like +24 Chip, +9 torrino...not a 'disproportionate' trade in any measure, but you're a turd, so...) -- that's why we engaged in the trade market. Similarly, Alex is better off cashing in on his RB scrubs -- and trixster is better off cashing in on his excess supply of WR studs...that's why they engaged in the trade market

In real football, no one is going to claim 'collusion' at these types of trades. So shut the fuck up -- stop clicking your 'vote reject' button unless you have a serious claim that it provides a disproportionate opportunity (ie, this trade benefits one team by +200 points and hurts another team by -100 points...) because doing so just encourages this cycle of trade vetoes

And change your team name, too

I Agree

It could be.

I Disagree

Here's a thought. How about you just stop crying about the trade review. Maybe if you'd quit bringing it up and just try again like a reasonable person then it'd go through without any fuss.

Whatevs, I'm out

Shouldn't be too shocked by my conduct -- I'm still torrino.

I don't care who plays who and who gets stronger. I look at the trade and if it is bulls*** to me, I veto it. And I didn't veto many trades this year.

If waiver wire fodder gets traded for a top receiver, I veto this trade any day of the week. It does not matter how many WRs or how many RBs a team has, it doesn't automatically make the trade a fair trade if both teams fill their needs. Otherwise you could trade DTs for QBs straight up and argue this is a fair trade.

Besides this, I think the problem for this specific trade was also that many people don't like that Alex hawked all the scrubs from the free agent market because of the missing waiver wire and now tries to turn them into Dwayne Bowe. That's just me assuming, but it could be part of the reasoning behind it.

As I look at all the complaints it's funny that most of them are coming from our top players. This stuff comes up every year and everyone goes nuts over something they think affects them in a way thats unfair or biased agaist them. At the end and beginning of every season we do a season review and try to have discussions on what rules we want to set up. Everyone gets a look at the rules and can voice their opinion yay or nay prior to the seasopn starting. But it always ends up right were we are in the middle of the season with everyone crying fowl

As commisioner I have a lot of power to do things but I try to stay out of absolute control. I'd love to be able to adjust rosters if someone forgot to set their line up or appprove/veto trades to ensure everyone has a fair game/shot.

Maybe I've created a monster and we need to get back to a basic rule league so that we are standard with how most of the other leagues that many of us are also apart of.

Personally I like our crazy rules. The waiver wire thing has always been in place and always benefitted the people who are on their couches on Sunday or can use their smart phones at work. They really don't end up making a difference though. If a backup running back is any good he would have already been picked up. The trick is finding these guys BEFORE they have their breakout games. Not as easy to do...

You are so right Flav Every week some scrub has a big game get's picked up and then does absolutely nothing ..... Even stars get this effect case in point in one of my other league Chris Johnson has been picked up and dropped 4 times this year each time he gets picked up crappy game when he's on the waiver wire monster game

I almost feel like I fleeced you in that Ponder-for-Freeman trade, torrino, based on the last two games. Sorry.