so from what years should baseball stats be thrown out the window or dismissed. Just 1997 to 2003 or like 1990 to 2005? Right Commissioner Selig.

Still Big Deal and For Everyone Worried. This was a Good Dodger Pickup. Dodgers acquire LHP Closer George Sherrill from Orioles

no stats should be thrown out the window until after 2003. No where did baseball say it was illegal to do so until after that year even after that year they shouldnt be thrown out. you honestly think that football is clean? i mean seriously?

It's not cheating if you dont get caught and everyone cheats until they get caught. I challenge anyone to disagree with that. If anyone has ever played a sport before they'll agree, whether it's grabbing somebodies shirt to make sure they dont get away from you, or hitting them in the nuts, it's all the same. Unless you get caught after 2003, it shouldn't make a difference.

I know and agree with that but I was just really asking when stats really got screwed up. And Selig probably knew much earlier but he was more interested in making MLB more profitable!

But then based on the stats, Sammy Sosa is one of the Greatest HR hitters ever. Maybe Best Ever!As he hit 292 homers fpr a 58.5 average over 5 years (1998 to 2002). Including 3 - 60 HR seasons.

Note his homers started to drop in 2003!

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Bonds - 1
McGuire - 2
Sosa -3
Maris - 1
Ruth - 1

Rank Player (age that year) Home Runs Year Bats HR Log
1. Barry Bonds (36) 73 2001 L HR Log
2. Mark McGwire (34) 70 1998 R HR Log
3. Sammy Sosa (29) 66 1998 R HR Log
4. Mark McGwire (35) 65 1999 R HR Log
5. Sammy Sosa (32) 64 2001 R HR Log
6. Sammy Sosa (30) 63 1999 R HR Log
7. Roger Maris (26) 61 1961 L HR Log
8. Babe Ruth+ (32) 60 1927 L HR Log

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No stats should be thrown out the window. Not even after 2003, because hey, chances are people are still a cheatin'.

Players took steroids in the late 70s, the 80s, the 90s, and throughout this entire decade (whispers) even during this "investigation". As a matter of fact, my guess is a few players are taking them right now despite the "crackdown". Then again, with science constantly changing and allowing new substances to be taken, it's kind of impossible for the MLB to keep up with what players are injecting themselves with. That's why steroids shouldn't be banned. Why does the NFL get to use them still? It's natural for a 300 pound man to run a 5 from the goal line to the 40? If these dumbasses want to destroy their own bodies, let them. I'll be entertained by how far the home runs go.

so all have NO complaints with this list! Sammy Sosa #1 and one of the Greatest of ALL-Time!

Rank Player (age that year) Home Runs Year Bats HR Log
1. Barry Bonds (36) 73 2001 L HR Log
2. Mark McGwire (34) 70 1998 R HR Log
3. Sammy Sosa (29) 66 1998 R HR Log
4. Mark McGwire (35) 65 1999 R HR Log
5. Sammy Sosa (32) 64 2001 R HR Log
6. Sammy Sosa (30) 63 1999 R HR Log
7. Roger Maris (26) 61 1961 L HR Log
8. Babe Ruth+ (32) 60 1927 L HR Log

Nope.

If baseball wanted to enforce it they should've done it 20 years ago when it was on the rise. Instead they got greedy. Then again steroids saved the game in 1998 so I guess they had a right to be greedy.

Yup. and was it only Selig's call alone?

I doubt it, but he had the biggest say.

That one from an ESPN article made me lol


Wow, David. Really? 20 times in 5 years? That is four times a year. Some athletes are tested more than that in a month.

Lots of Trades. Think everyone moved by the 2 biggest names. Halladay and adrian gonzales.

I don't think the Padres or Blue Jays were really that desperate to move them.

good god Cleveland

FUCK YOU

Hagadone's a good pitcher, I mean he's in a-ball but that's only because of tommy john surgery. I don't think that highly of Bryan Price and Masterson has to learn how to pitch to lefties if he wants to be effective.

it's a pretty lousy trade. there's no reason why martinez wasn't worth -- at the very least -- clay buchholz. he's one of the elite hitters today. if cleveland was willing to part with an elite hitter, they should've asked for an elite prospect in return, not three mediocre prospects.

well, enjoy him. he's a class act.

now i need to decide what team i want to support. i'm done with cleveland, at least until "major league: the movie part IV" stops happening

well Blue Jays pretty stupid. I even heard that they might try after season. Great so trade him with only 1 year left on contract.

Like I said before, this was the best time to trade him for the best offer. 3 or 4 good players could turn around a team. I even saw an article by someone who said that GM should be fired for not trading Halladay.

so still worried about Dodgers as now they have won 2 in a row and have an 8 game lead!

In the NL, what are the picks?

Think the divisions are gone. Dodgers, Cards with Holiday, Phillies with Lee.

But on the W/C? Lots of Teams are still in it.

National League
W L GB Left
San Francisco Giants 56 47 -- 59
Colorado Rockies 56 47 -- 59
Chicago Cubs 54 47 1.0 61
Florida Marlins 54 49 2.0 59
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Atlanta Braves 52 51 4.0 59
Houston Astros 51 52 5.0 59
Milwaukee Brewers 51 52 5.0 59
New York Mets 49 53 6.5 60

On the AL??? Everything is Open.

Yanks or Boston
Tigers, White Sox, Twins
Angels, Texas

and then the W/C

American League
W L GB Left
Boston Red Sox 60 42 -- 60
Texas Rangers 58 43 1.5 61
Tampa Bay Rays 56 47 4.5 59
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Seattle Mariners 53 50 7.5 59
Chicago White Sox 53 51 8.0 58
Minnesota Twins 52 51 8.5 59

And say by some miracle the Jays contend for a playoff spot next year (stop snickering Snack - that's some good alliteration right there) where would that leave them? They still got Halliday. At the very worst they'll try and trade him again next year and he can become a rent-a-player for some team who's got a shot at winning the title. Not panicking and getting something worse than they could get next year was a smart move on their part. They didn't have to trade him this year. Next year they do if the team still isn't going anywhere.

All indications were the offers for Halladay were pretty shitty. Cleveland bending over in the Lee trade kind of screwed us - Philly got him without giving up ANY of the high prospects we wanted from them. After that the best offer appeared to be one with Boston for Bucholtz which was probably not good enough to trade Halladay within the division

Just think with only 1.25 left on his contract and he wanting out of Toronto, this was the time to trade him. Especially with the GM saying that 3 of the 10 offers were really tempting.

3/4 great players would make more of a difference than just having him, IMO.

GM said that 3 out of the like 10 offers were very tempting. And he could have played it out with those 3 teams.

Was that before or after Lee was traded? Once Lee was traded all I heard come from Toronto was that all talks were dead yet they would still listen to any offers. Chances are (if there were any) they were similar in quality to what the Phillies gave up for Lee. Like Shack said, that trade really fucked any chances of the Jays getting a solid deal.

Guess I misread it alittle. But still was he just expecting way too much to have never been moved.

4:20pm: Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail reports that Ricciardi was "never moved by a club" to trade Halladay, though two or three teams were serious about acquiring him and ten inquired.

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Also as Toronto is like 13 games out of first and Yanks/Red Sox pretty strong, how is Toronto going to be in contention next year? Is there team any different.