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Dr. Lecter
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 Killuminati510 wrote: MovieDude wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: Oh snaps, now Babel is getting bad buzz. Quote: A publicist I spoke to during a lunch earlier this afternoon told me that 80% of the "people" (journalists, I presume) she's spoken to about Alejandro Gonzalez Innaritu's Babel have been iffy about it -- too long, too much like the previous Innaritu films, etc. But there's no basis for anyone to "meh" this film, I argued. It's too well crafted, too full of feeling and echoes about parenting and children. Later I talked with an industry guy who's spoken at length with Samuel L. Jackson, who saw Babel as a judge at the Cannes Film Festival, and the guy said Jackson felt that Babel is "Crash Benetton" -- i.e., a European version of Paul Haggis's Best Picture winner. Dammit...that's a ridiculous point of view. Babel may be in the same solar system as Crash, but it's certainly not on the same planet. What the hell's going on there? I really, really hope this doens't get a nomination. It's not so much that I'm sick of these "everything is connected" ensemble dramas (although I really, really am). I just LOATHE these movies that try and make endless tragedies and hardship seem so much deeper then it is. I don't only go to the cinema to be entertained, but I certainly don't go to it wanting to walk out feeling like shit. 21 Grams was a damn good movie, but I'll be cringing if this is another Amores Perros. Yeah, they're getting tired, but I if it's quality I dont mind. I always thought Babel would be the film to take that 4th or 5th spot, I highly doubt it's a major contender. I never saw what wuld make this more of a contender than, say, 21 Grams was  _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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MovieDude
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Raffiki wrote: ok, so after that rant... this is what I came up with  Best chances so farBabel The Departed In the runningBobby (really iffy on this one but a best pic nom may be the only way to award the movie/cast with anything) Dreamgirls Flags of our Faters The Good German The Last King of Scotland Other ContendersBreaking and Entering Little Children The Queen Volver (only so low because there is a foreign film category... otherwise I'd place it in the top category) What about Children of Men, The Prestige, The Fountain, Catch a Fire, and The Pursuit of Happyness?
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Raffiki
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MovieDude wrote: Raffiki wrote: ok, so after that rant... this is what I came up with Best chances so farBabel The Departed In the runningBobby (really iffy on this one but a best pic nom may be the only way to award the movie/cast with anything) Dreamgirls Flags of our Faters The Good German The Last King of Scotland Other ContendersBreaking and Entering Little Children The Queen Volver (only so low because there is a foreign film category... otherwise I'd place it in the top category) What about Children of Men, The Prestige, The Fountain, Catch a Fire, and The Pursuit of Happyness? I highly doubt that Children of Men is even targeting Oscar.
I don't think The Prestige is either. There might be some acting worth mentioning there, but doubt any of them will make it through to the final 5.
I actually don't know much about the Fountain, so I don't want to make a judgement yet.
I don't see anything in 'Catch a Fire' that could stay with voters past its month of release. this is only based on a viewing of the trailer though.
Haven't heard much about Happiness but it just looks like one of those feel-good movies that aren't too weighty.
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xiayun
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The Fountain is dead with the reactions it received at both Venice and Toronto. Most are pretty "meh" about Catch a Fire too, except for Luke's performance. And hard to see The Pursuit of Happyness score anywhere outside Will Smith.
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zingy
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What is looking good at the moment, based on the reviews so far? It seems like almost every film except The Departed has been shot down.
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Zingaling wrote: What is looking good at the moment, based on the reviews so far? It seems like almost every film except The Departed has been shot down. Dreamgirls of course.
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Maverikk
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Zingaling wrote: What is looking good at the moment, based on the reviews so far? It seems like almost every film except The Departed has been shot down. Early word is good on Bobby (David Poland's agenda would try to convince otherwise), the Last King of Scotland, The Departed, Babel, Little Children, the Queen, and Volver. Of course, United 93 and Little Miss Sunshine are currently in nice positions on the review front.
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xiayun
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I think The Last King of Scotland really helped itself at Toronto and moved up. It's one film that I saw some were saying they will defend it to death. In other cases, it's more of films not stepping up and blowing people away, than they getting shot down. Little Children is still a solid contender, despite what Jeffrey Wells said about the "ick" part. Volver is still in it, despite not being rated as high as Talk to Her. I'll admit Bobby is still in it too, just because how many actors are in it and the voting influence they have, unless the opinions are divisive enough to push it below 70% at RT.
Basically, there are no locks, but a whole bunch of possibilities.
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xiayun wrote: Basically, there are no locks, but a whole bunch of possibilities. I'll continue to say there's one spot available. Departed will be nominated for BP, as will Flags, as will Dreamgirls, as will LMS. What the fifth film will be, no one knows.
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xiayun
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As hard as I try, I can't see LMS getting nominated. It won't get enough critic supports and won't win either BFCA or GG Musical/Comedy. Just can't phantom a scenario that it will jump back into the race. Screenplay and Supporting Actress, yes, and even Supporting Actor; but Picture and Director, no.
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xiayun wrote: As hard as I try, I can't see LMS getting nominated. It won't get enough critic supports and won't win either BFCA or GG Musical/Comedy. Just can't phantom a scenario that it will jump back into the race. Screenplay and Supporting Actress, yes, and even Supporting Actor; but Picture and Director, no. Films are falling by the wayside for the 4th and 5th spots. And LMS has mass appeal, both critically and with audiences. I think it fits in quite nicely.
It's been established that a Director nom is too complicated to be realized. But Best Screenplay, Supporting Actress, Supporting Actor, and Best Picture works just as well.
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MovieDude
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Raffiki wrote: MovieDude wrote: Raffiki wrote: ok, so after that rant... this is what I came up with Best chances so farBabel The Departed In the runningBobby (really iffy on this one but a best pic nom may be the only way to award the movie/cast with anything) Dreamgirls Flags of our Faters The Good German The Last King of Scotland Other ContendersBreaking and Entering Little Children The Queen Volver (only so low because there is a foreign film category... otherwise I'd place it in the top category) What about Children of Men, The Prestige, The Fountain, Catch a Fire, and The Pursuit of Happyness? I highly doubt that Children of Men is even targeting Oscar. I don't think The Prestige is either. There might be some acting worth mentioning there, but doubt any of them will make it through to the final 5. I actually don't know much about the Fountain, so I don't want to make a judgement yet. I don't see anything in 'Catch a Fire' that could stay with voters past its month of release. this is only based on a viewing of the trailer though. Haven't heard much about Happiness but it just looks like one of those feel-good movies that aren't too weighty. Children of Men was moved from September to December. With that cast, director, and thoughtful premise, of course it's aiming for Oscars. Ditto with The Prestige. Neither will get nominated if they aren't commercial sucesses, but I don't see how you could rule either of them out.
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zingy
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Zingaling wrote: What is looking good at the moment, based on the reviews so far? It seems like almost every film except The Departed has been shot down. Dreamgirls of course. Heh.
Silly loyal.
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Zingaling wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Zingaling wrote: What is looking good at the moment, based on the reviews so far? It seems like almost every film except The Departed has been shot down. Dreamgirls of course. Heh. Silly loyal. Just remember that when everyone is shocked at how a film starting Foxy Cleopatra, Doctor Dolittle, and an American Idol contestant killed the competition during the Award season, I was the one obsessing over it since day one. 
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Maverikk
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/last_king_of_scotland/
Reviews Counted: 10
Fresh: 10 Rotten: 0
Average Rating: 8.1/10
100%
Continues to look more and more like this year's Capote. I started charting it.
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Maverikk
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I started charting Bobby, too.
Reviews Counted: 5
Fresh: 4 Rotten: 1
Average Rating: 6.9/10
80%
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Jonathan
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I think we're being a little quick to call The Departed a lock. The film could easily dissapoint at the B.O. Remember King Kong?
Actually, I think we're all a little quick to call a lot of stuff a lock, just looking at Mav's siggie. Half of those are simply major contenders at this point, like Cruz (I'm predicting her, but foreign performances need lotsa awards to become locks), Lane (Please stop using Unfaithful as an example, she was due for a nom then and Actress was weak) and Bobby (But you've already decided on which festival had an agenda, which just happened to be the one that liked it).
BTW, Streep is going lead.
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Maverikk
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Positive Jon wrote: I think we're being a little quick to call The Departed a lock. The film could easily dissapoint at the B.O. Remember King Kong?
Actually, I think we're all a little quick to call a lot of stuff a lock, just looking at Mav's siggie. Half of those are simply major contenders at this point, like Cruz (I'm predicting her, but foreign performances need lotsa awards to become locks), Lane (Please stop using Unfaithful as an example, she was due for a nom then and Actress was weak) and Bobby (But you've already decided on which festival had an agenda, which just happened to be the one that liked it).
BTW, Streep is going lead. What's your fucking problem, already? If we want to talk about agendas, let's talk about your apparent agenda to post here only to criticize what I say.
Do you want to put up your awards instincts and knowledge against me or something? Fine, bring it on. I'll take great pleasure in kicking your ass all over the place all season since you're obviously begging for it with these constant jabs at me.
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: MovieDude wrote: Killuminati510 wrote: Oh snaps, now Babel is getting bad buzz. Quote: A publicist I spoke to during a lunch earlier this afternoon told me that 80% of the "people" (journalists, I presume) she's spoken to about Alejandro Gonzalez Innaritu's Babel have been iffy about it -- too long, too much like the previous Innaritu films, etc. But there's no basis for anyone to "meh" this film, I argued. It's too well crafted, too full of feeling and echoes about parenting and children. Later I talked with an industry guy who's spoken at length with Samuel L. Jackson, who saw Babel as a judge at the Cannes Film Festival, and the guy said Jackson felt that Babel is "Crash Benetton" -- i.e., a European version of Paul Haggis's Best Picture winner. Dammit...that's a ridiculous point of view. Babel may be in the same solar system as Crash, but it's certainly not on the same planet. What the hell's going on there? I really, really hope this doens't get a nomination. It's not so much that I'm sick of these "everything is connected" ensemble dramas (although I really, really am). I just LOATHE these movies that try and make endless tragedies and hardship seem so much deeper then it is. I don't only go to the cinema to be entertained, but I certainly don't go to it wanting to walk out feeling like shit. 21 Grams was a damn good movie, but I'll be cringing if this is another Amores Perros. Yeah, they're getting tired, but I if it's quality I dont mind. I always thought Babel would be the film to take that 4th or 5th spot, I highly doubt it's a major contender. I never saw what wuld make this more of a contender than, say, 21 Grams was Babel looks more accessible and the message/story seems more important and meaningful from what im getting. _________________ "People always want to tear you down when you're on top, like Napoleon back in the Roman Empire" - Dirk Diggler
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kypade
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Knowing only the trailer and that I have an inexplicable urge to read the book, I'm gonna go ahead and put everything behind Little Children. Winslet and film for the win.
Other nominees:
Volver
Babel
Last King of Scotland
Prestige/Departed/Dreamgirls/Something big and mainstream.
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MovieDude wrote: Children of Men was moved from September to December. With that cast, director, and thoughtful premise, of course it's aiming for Oscars. Ditto with The Prestige. Neither will get nominated if they aren't commercial sucesses, but I don't see how you could rule either of them out. Yeah but dude, Children of Men has already kinda got shot down. The reviews werent very favorable and when you're a Sci-fi film aiming for gold you cant really be short of earth shattering. _________________"People always want to tear you down when you're on top, like Napoleon back in the Roman Empire" - Dirk Diggler
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Positive Jon wrote: I think we're being a little quick to call The Departed a lock. Not really. His last two films were nominated and people weren't exactly nuts about them. Only stands to reason a film people actually rallly behind will be nominated.
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MadGez
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Im seeing the 5 Best Pic contenders as -
Babel
The Departed
Volver
The Last King of Scotland
Dreamirls
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Poland enjoyed Rescue Dawn
Quote: Rescue Dawn - Werner Herzog shows surprising restraint, but still pushed the envelope, in this feature version of his famous doc, Little Dieter Needs To Fly. The film is very tough, very demanding on the audience, and very rewarding. The best comparison is really The Deer Hunter, but it is quite different than anything else, really. Herzog embraces nature like few others and gets great performances from Christian Bale and Steve Zahn. It was far more entertaining than I ever expected. _________________"People always want to tear you down when you're on top, like Napoleon back in the Roman Empire" - Dirk Diggler
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MovieDude
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Killuminati510 wrote: MovieDude wrote: Children of Men was moved from September to December. With that cast, director, and thoughtful premise, of course it's aiming for Oscars. Ditto with The Prestige. Neither will get nominated if they aren't commercial sucesses, but I don't see how you could rule either of them out. Yeah but dude, Children of Men has already kinda got shot down. The reviews werent very favorable and when you're a Sci-fi film aiming for gold you cant really be short of earth shattering. Weren't favorable? It got one bad review by "europeanfilms.net", one terrific one by ViewLondon, one of Hollywood Reporter/Variety loved it while the other thought it was pretty good. That's hardly getting shut down unless you read more reviews I haven't seen yet.
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