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insein-darko wrote:
I actually kinda see The Queen resembling Capote as well. Helen Mirren is receiving glowing reviews for her work in that, and the movie itself isn't getting bad reviews either. Depending on the strength of Helen Mirren's nomination, The Queen might be nominated for Best Picture.


I'm thinking The Queen and Elizabeth are a better comparison. To say Capote made it into the BP contest purely on Hoffman's shoulder's is to ignore it was one of the highest reviewed films of the year. It was the only film of the five nominees to go 100% CoTC, and it stayed north of 90 even amongst near 200 compiled reviews. It had #1 picks second (and just one shy) of Brokeback, and it had an unrecognized American actor (not a Anglo-foreign one like the Australian Blanchette or British Mirren. Mirren has also been nominated twice before, including Gosford Park.

She might pull The Queen to a bp nom, but with only warm reviews compared to Capote's hot ones (I'll argue early WoM of Capote was incredible), she might settle just for acting noms. Elizabth was pretty rare, but they both are "period pieces", albeight different eras, which always helps because production value, costume, etc is really high caliber.


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Maverikk wrote:
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Yes - Bobby has good buzz from two major festivals and positive reviews from the two biggest industry rags - so its definately off to a good start. Good point about all the AMPAS actor members supporting such a large cast (similar to Crash in that respect). I like the feel of this film i get from the reviews. The poster was simple but clever. Is there a trailer out for it?

The Queen could do a Capote and have big shot at a major acting nod, though maybe it wont get a best pic nom.


I'm curious if Demi Moore, who has NEVER received an Oscar nomination, has a big enough part. (not that it mattered with William Hurt last year) She play's an alcoholic, so she's got that going for her, as well as a body of good career work, so she's a very strong contender for some recognition.


It wouldn't shock me, really. She could easily end up being the Matt Dillon of the picture if her performance stands out enough. I found it amusing that Sharon Stone was also getting good reviews, but then again, she did once get an Oscar nomination, so it's not like she can't act when she wants to.


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It wouldn't shock me, really. She could easily end up being the Matt Dillon of the picture if her performance stands out enough. I found it amusing that Sharon Stone was also getting good reviews, but then again, she did once get an Oscar nomination, so it's not like she can't act when she wants to.


With Emilio and Demi having a long history, I wouldn't be surprised if she's got a part that he wrote specifically for her, with Oscar in mind.

And Sharon Stone could really use some career respect after all she's done to lose it.


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I can't help but reflect on the possibility that Emilio Estevez just might win the Oscar for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Orginal Screenplay. Who would have ever dreamed such a thing was possible?

If there was any sibling rivalry between him and Charlie, Emilio just got a leg up.


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Maverikk wrote:

And Sharon Stone could really use some career respect after all she's done to lose it.


Indeed. Her career choices after Casino were bizarre.

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I'm thinking The Queen and Elizabeth are a better comparison. To say Capote made it into the BP contest purely on Hoffman's shoulder's is to ignore it was one of the highest reviewed films of the year. It was the only film of the five nominees to go 100% CoTC, and it stayed north of 90 even amongst near 200 compiled reviews. It had #1 picks second (and just one shy) of Brokeback, and it had an unrecognized American actor (not a Anglo-foreign one like the Australian Blanchette or British Mirren. Mirren has also been nominated twice before, including Gosford Park.

She might pull The Queen to a bp nom, but with only warm reviews compared to Capote's hot ones (I'll argue early WoM of Capote was incredible), she might settle just for acting noms. Elizabth was pretty rare, but they both are "period pieces", albeight different eras, which always helps because production value, costume, etc is really high caliber.

You do have a point! ;)


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Gullimont-Kyro wrote:
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And Sharon Stone could really use some career respect after all she's done to lose it.


Indeed. Her career choices after Casino were bizarre.


She was good in The Mighty and decent in Broken Flowers, but other than that she hasn't done anything great.


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Maverikk wrote:
Emilio Estevez just might win the Oscar for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Orginal Screenplay. Who would have ever dreamed such a thing was possible?

Satan?


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Emilio Estevez just might win the Oscar for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Orginal Screenplay. Who would have ever dreamed such a thing was possible?

Satan?


Andaroo? :unsure:

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Bobby seems like one of those films that could get BP nomination but just as likely missing out on the BD nomination. If Estevez does somehow get nominated though, then I see Scorcese getting a nomination too and then he loses again to an actor-turned-director again in Estevez. :biggrin:


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Bobby seems like one of those films that could get BP nomination but just as likely missing out on the BD nomination. If Estevez does somehow get nominated though, then I see Scorcese getting a nomination too and then he loses again to an actor-turned-director again in Estevez. :biggrin:


Marty could conceivably be facing off against Clint Eastwood, Robert De Niro, Emilio Estevez, AND Mel Gibson.


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Maverikk wrote:
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Bobby seems like one of those films that could get BP nomination but just as likely missing out on the BD nomination. If Estevez does somehow get nominated though, then I see Scorcese getting a nomination too and then he loses again to an actor-turned-director again in Estevez. :biggrin:


Marty could conceivably be facing off against Clint Eastwood, Robert De Niro, Emilio Estevez, AND Mel Gibson.


Mel Gibson? In what world? At this point there is a bigger likelihood of Osama bin Laden handing himself in to the CIA than Gibson being nominated.

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Mel Gibson? In what world? At this point there is a bigger likelihood of Osama bin Laden handing himself in to the CIA than Gibson being nominated.


Hey, stranger things have happened. I didn't say I expected it, and I'd be shocked, but you never know how many friends he has that would rally behind him. I wouldn't bet my life on him not being able to pull something off, after all, he did pull off Braveheart's Oscar and Passion of the Christ's box office when nobody would have conceived it. God is on his side!


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Mel Gibson? In what world? At this point there is a bigger likelihood of Osama bin Laden handing himself in to the CIA than Gibson being nominated.


Hey, stranger things have happened. I didn't say I expected it, and I'd be shocked, but you never know how many friends he has that would rally behind him. I wouldn't bet my life on him not being able to pull something off, after all, he did pull off Braveheart's Oscar and Passion of the Christ's box office when nobody would have conceived it. God is on his side!


No. Just no. I'd bet a LOT of money against that.

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No. Just no. I'd bet a LOT of money against that.


Lecter, when you can show me that you predicted POTC to be a massive hit, your "No. Just no" will actually take on some weight.


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I'll post this review here. He just dropped his grade for Bobby from a B+ to a B. :nonono:

http://emanuellevy.com/article.php?articleID=3257

Liberal Hollywood + good reviews + strong acting support + perfect release date = Lock for a Best Picture nomination!

That's two locks I count. Diane Lane for Best Supporting Actress in Hollywoodland and Bobby for Best Picture. If Demi Moore keeps being mentioned, she'll soon join the locked and loaded.


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Mav, have you been living under a rock? Are you unaware that Mel Gibson just told the jewish community to fuck themselves, a community which has a large store in Hollywood. :lol: Mel has no chance in hell of being nominated. Getting one for Apocalypto would be almost impossible anyways, and then there was... the incident... ahaha.

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Arguing for Gibson is, at this point, ridiculous.

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L.A. Times: Oscar leaders emerge at Telluride:

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Oscar hopefuls "Babel," "Venus," "Little Children," "Last King of Scotland," "Catch a Fire," "Infamous," "Volver" and others faced their first, tough kudos test this past weekend when they made their U.S. debuts at the Telluride Film Festival in Colorado.

The verdict?

"I think 'Venus,' 'Babel,' 'Volver' and 'Little Children' are in," says Anne Thompson, Deputy Film Editor of Hollywood Reporter.

"'Infamous,' 'Catch a Fire' and 'Last King of Scotland' were well received by industry audiences, but I'd put them in the category of those films that have to play every single card perfectly -- do well with the critics and their critics' awards at the end of the year, get into the Golden Globes -- in order to land on their feet inside the Oscar race," Thompson added.

Pete Hammond, film critic for Maxim and an Oscar contributor to Variety, agrees with the Oscar assessments of "Babel" and "Volver."

He calls the reception of "Little Children" -- the tale of a lonely housewife (Kate Winslet) who has a secret affair --"extremely positive," but warned, "There were definitely polarizing factors" involving its subplot of a sex offender."

Reaction to "Last King of Scotland," about Idi Amin's brutal rule of Uganda, "exceeded my expectations," he adds. "Terrific response. Huge buzz." And "lots of people" gave anti-Apartheid drama "Catch a Fire" "very positive notice," he says.

The Truman Capote biopic "Infamous," which follows the same plot as last year's best actor champ "Capote," was "well received," says Thompson.

"Some liked it better than 'Capote,' some people didn't -- lots of discussions if Toby Jones is better than Philip Seymour Hoffman. Some people liked Sandra Bullock (as novelist Harper Lee), some didn't. Everybody thought Daniel Craig (as murderer Perry Smith) was very good, though there were titters about James Bond kissing Capote," she added.

Many Oscar watchers expected past best actress champ Nicole Kidman to emerge as a top rival again for her portrayal of photographer Diane Arbus in "Fur," but the fest consensus was that her role isn't showy enough to get voters' attention.

The film is expected to do well on the art-house circuit, but Hammond believes "it's more Robert Downey's film than Nicole's." Downey portrays a strange, fictitious, masked man who spellbinds Arbus.

Clearly, the biggest Oscar story at Telluride was Peter O'Toole in "Venus." The esteemed British actor is not only overdue for a win, but he's the award's biggest loser (7 defeats).

"That movie is tailor-made for the academy since it's about an aging actor -- a big plus considering that group's demographic," says Hammond. "It also has all of the Oscar ingredients. O'Toole gets to run the gamut. We see him act other roles as an actor and that's important because voters make up the largest voting bloc. And without revealing some key plot points, what happens to him in the film happens to many Oscar-winning characters. There are also strong Oscar possibilities for the supporting cast. Vanessa Redgrave has three great scenes. Leslie Phillips is outstanding -- he plays O'Toole's contemporary and a fellow actor, whose grand-niece is the target of O'Toole's affections."

After debuting to huzzahs at Cannes, "'Babel' came in with a lot of expectations and delivered," says Thompson about director Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu's ("21 Grams," "Amores Perres") tale of tragedy befalling an American couple (Brad Pitt, Cate Blanchett) traveling in Morocco.

"Volver," starring Penelope Cruz as a ghost-beset mom, followed up on its earlier success at Cannes, too, with an enthusiastic reception in Colorado.

A sleeper that popped at the fest was "The Lives of Others," a German movie about lovers being spied upon in Communist East Germany that may be a major contender for best foreign film. "It was the one movie that had the most buzz of all," says Hammond. "That came out of Telluride in a big way."

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Yeah, O'Toole is probably the frontrunner for the win. If he gets enough steam for a nom, it'll be locked up pretty much, as noone is going to vote another loss for him. Not checking his name will give them a guilty consience, as nobody wants to see him die without picking one up.

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I am glad I called Volver very early on in the race. It is receiving some of the best praise of Almodovar's career and unlike Talk to Her/All about My Mother and others the subject matter is not nearly as controversal or off-mainstream. It is a big dark horse at this point and unless the competition is REALLY fierce Penelope Cruz should get that Oscar nom.

Oh and O'Toole plays an ACTOR in Venus?! Oh wow, that pretty much assures him a nom and once he gets that, he is in the prime position for a win.

Oh and remember my thread on The Life of Others as the fourth German Best Foreign nominee in five years? :P

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Yeah, I think this is the year that the curse of Peter O'Toole is finally lifted, the academy will able to breathe easy. It's a bit of a cruel irony that he would've won easily in his first nom ever in Lawrence, almost any other year no problem, but he had the unfortunate luck of coming out in the same year as the most unstoppable Best Actor win in history... that damn Gregory Peck and his overdue and annoying booming voice for Mockingbird. And then the list runs to 7 noms and nothing for 42 years... :)

It'll kind of be a fun little tribute to all those years, hearing all the comparisons and his past movies and etc. during the season, the retrospective shows all over the place.

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Mav, have you been living under a rock? Are you unaware that Mel Gibson just told the jewish community to fuck themselves, a community which has a large store in Hollywood. :lol: Mel has no chance in hell of being nominated. Getting one for Apocalypto would be almost impossible anyways, and then there was... the incident... ahaha.


Yep, I agree, and A foreign speaking sub titled Jesus movie with no big stars had no way that it was going to be a hit at the box office. Hindsight is 20/20. We don't know the whole story behind anything. We know what the media says. If there was anybody who knew not to pay attention to what they say as 100%, it would be members of the academy, whom I'm sure he's made some friends in. That gives him about 3% chance, I would say.


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Mav, have you been living under a rock? Are you unaware that Mel Gibson just told the jewish community to fuck themselves, a community which has a large store in Hollywood. :lol: Mel has no chance in hell of being nominated. Getting one for Apocalypto would be almost impossible anyways, and then there was... the incident... ahaha.


Yep, I agree, and A foreign speaking sub titled Jesus movie with no big stars had no way that it was going to be a hit at the box office. Hindsight is 20/20. We don't know the whole story behind anything. We know what the media says. If there was anybody who knew not to pay attention to what they say as 100%, it would be members of the academy, whom I'm sure he's made some friends in. That gives him about 3% chance, I would say.


That film was based on the biggest bestseller of all-time.

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That film was based on the biggest bestseller of all-time.


If that were the reason, Scorcese's Last Temptation of Christ or The Greatest Story Ever Told wouldn't have tanked, and Jesus of Narzareth would be the biggest mini series ever.


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