Big Brother Allstars Spoiler Thread: Feeds, Etc.
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Lucky
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O wrote: Dani / James / Erika / Marci / Will are all playing for the veto, as Janelle cant.
I heard Will/James/Dani are going to throw it to help Dani win it. So I'm hoping that either Erika or Marcellas win it, as I think Danielle really needs to stay on the block. But Janelle should do this: If Will wins the veto, she says if he saves Danielle, he'll put up Mike Boogie in her place. That's the only way to buffer Will. I wish there was a situation where the veto would not be used, but I think all 5 of those people competiting would indeed use it. Someone like Chicken George will go up in their place, and then he might get voted out, leaving Erika and Dani in the game. One of them has to go.
Will seems to be in every veto competition which makes me wonder how random the selection of the veto competitors really is.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:01 pm |
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Cotton
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MikeQ. wrote: Mr. X wrote: Janelle can be a fucking idiot. Even Howie is unsure of James' loyalty to them, but Janelle says he's wrong, showing little to no doubt about James. Too bad.
I'm enjoying this week while it lasts. Here's hoping Howie can somehow get it next week. Will spilled the beans to them. They don't know about Chilltown yet, but they know that James is essentially with Danielle. Some chatter between Janelle and Howie [THEY FINALLY GET IT]:
Didn't Will try and pull the same thing last time Janelle was HOH, saying how all her alliance members have secret alliances with other players?
Anyway, if she finally understands it now, then the target on Danielle's back just got a whole lot brighter.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:51 pm |
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haerpinot
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Dani won POV. Howie/Janelle are pretty pissed because apparently Will/Booger and James could have eliminated Dani at one point but instead chose to take out Marc (by Booger) & Erika (by James). Janie/Howie believe James the least, who said he fucked up and thought they wanted Erika out. Chilltown are swearing up and town to Janie/Howie that they will vote out Erika.
MikeQ. wrote: I do hope people realize it was more than just the "Howie incident". Several players said there were problems with their buttons, and there was also the incident when Janelle got her answer wrong, Boogie didn't even get an answer in (his light didn't go on). Julie didn't notice. In that case, there was further complications during that question, so nothing was guaranteed about Janelle definately being "out". It's also possible that people who couldn't get their buzzer to work for true, tried to buzz in for false, because the buzzer wouldn't work. It was all messed up, the technical stuff, so you can't pick and choose, in my opinion. A lot of people experienced problems. I would also argue that Erika was not guaranteed the win because there were problems with numerous people's buzzers, and several people admitted so. Remember how the last person to buzz in is eliminated if they all got it right? Well, what if Erika got a free ride to the win because other people weren't able to buzz fast enough because the buzzers were not working correctly. How is it fair to the contestants?
Let me add that I totally FEEL for the rest of the house. It sucks big time to have to re-do a competition. But it was BB's mistake for having such a faulty competition. Now they have to own up and have done so. If you're going to cut Janelle out of the competition, then you should cut out everyone else who went out before Howie. But like I said, Howie's incident was not the only problem, only the most visible one. For BB to have Janelle participate in the re-do, they probably had been able to verify that the technical difficulties began before she answered incorrectly. Doing a re-do, and then picking and choosing who to cut out and who is allowed to compete again would only instigate more "unfair" commentary from the houseguests and from the viewers. Like I've seen others say, I wouldn't be surprised if they sought the advice of their legal department when making the decision. For me, the reasoning to re-do the competition must have been strong for the producers, because there have been problems with past HOH/POV competitions in the Big Brother show history, and they were called out, but nothing done about it. The producers want everything to be regarded as fair as possible to prevent people calling things "unfair" and such.
PEACE, Mike.
I do think it all boils down to the question before Howie went out. I figure that the producers (assuming a lack of bias and manipulation which is a big jump, but for the argument's sake let's say they're don't have a vested interest in who stays/goes) would have indeed left Janelle out of the re-do comp had they known what answer Booger selected. Being that there's presumably no way to tell since his light didn't turn on, they couldn't leave Janelle out since Booger could have gotten it wrong, and that would be unfair to Janie. But if they had left out both of them, it wouldn't have been fair to Booger since he may have gotten it right. At least that's the only thing that makes sense to me.
The thing that bugs me the most is that Erika got absolutely nothing, in fact she's actually likely going home this week despite winning the (messed up) HoH comp! There's no reason why the producers couldn't have given her immunity or made her a co-HoH, it's not her fault the buzzers weren't working and who's to say that if they had been working properly that she wouldn't have won. She got totally hosed.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:09 pm |
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Cotton
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Yay Dani won!!  This means the duller than dull Erika will be sent packing!
And I have to agree with Mike, about the HOH thing. If there's a problem with the competition, it's better to deem it null and void and move on to a redo. I do feel for Erika big time, though.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:18 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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CoupClue1: Sheep/Ewe?
CoupClue2: A spool of lies
I read someone's guess on another board, which sounds about right: You and I to the End. Translated: Ewe and Eye (Needle) to the End.
Have to wait for further clues to see if "You and I to the End", but it's the most accurate I've heard so far.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:24 pm |
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O
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Howie apparently guessed "A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing," which is a pretty good guess (surprised Howie did that one). But it makes sense.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:29 pm |
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MikeQ.
The French Dutch Boy
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Cotton wrote: :shout: Yay Dani won!!  This means the duller than dull Erika will be sent packing! And I have to agree with Mike, about the HOH thing. If there's a problem with the competition, it's better to deem it null and void and move on to a redo. I do feel for Erika big time, though.
I'm so glad Danielle won. This is really amazing for me this season so far. Janelle and Danielle keep managing to save themselves, and Will has always been in a great position. My top 3 players are kicking ass. It's so cool.
Although, Danielle winning was inevitable. The POV competition was really only Danielle vs. Erika, with the other 3 all purposefully throwing it for Danielle to win. James got in big shit from Janelle and Howie for clearly throwing the game in Danielle's favour. James is now at the bottom rung of trust with the Sovs. I wouldn't be surprised if Janelle put him up (Will was trying to drill it into her head). If she doesn't put up James, they will be either be putting up Marcellas, or one of Woogie (to ensure that Erika leaves). I hope Janelle puts up one of Woogie, because Will himself said that it's okay to use him as a pawn if they don't trust him yet, and then that would guarantee an Erika eviction (Will would not let his friend Boogie leave, and vice versa). If Marcellas goes up, Woogie told her that they will vote the way she wants they will vote to evict Erika. If Woogie lies, and votes out Marcellas, then they are ousted to the Sovs. So, it'll be interesting to see that if Marcellas goes up.
And about the guesses for the Coup D'Etat, I'm still a little confused. Julie said: "Over the next few days, you will be given clues to a well-known phrase that applies to the Big Brother game." So, for me, I thought that meant that the phrase is a common Big Brother phrase that is used all the time to describe an aspect of the game or something. Common phrases like "You are the new Head of Household" or "Expect the Unexpected" and stuff like that. So, phrases like "You and I to the End" and "A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing" (while great guesses) don't seem to "apply" to the Big Brother game. But I guess the word apply is so general, that by "apply", she could have just meant it describes the game well, which the phrase "A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing" does well. That's totally Big Brother right there. Maybe Howie is right!! That would be awesome. Hehe.
Okay, that's all the rambling from me for now.
PEACE, Mike.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:11 pm |
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Cotton
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Mr. X wrote: CoupClue1: Sheep/Ewe? CoupClue2: A spool of lies
A spool of lies? What is that exactly?
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:17 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Cotton wrote: Mr. X wrote: CoupClue1: Sheep/Ewe? CoupClue2: A spool of lies
A spool of lies? What is that exactly?
A spool of thread, and a needle. I don't know where the "lies" comes from, but I've read that name a few times on BB sites.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:26 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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I'm sorta surprised about how many people who have been evicted that say they HATED being in the house. I sorta feel dumb for liking this season.
Diane said in an interview (sarcastically) that it's great to see Big Brother 6 all over again. I'm not sure how that is intended. If she means that Kaysar was evicted early on, with Howie and Janelle left in the house and James defecting to the other side, then she's right. But, I have a feeling she's talking about how BB6 is still somehow the dominant part of the house, even though it's now only Howie and Janelle.
Lots of bitter people signed up for this show. I guess they all had guns to their head!
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:42 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Apparently Boogie was won the Coup D'Etat. The houseguests were put on lockdown, and then there were flames, and then apparently Boogie was yelling and happy. They saw the last clue, which apparently indicates that his guess was correct ("You reap what you sew."). I don't think the clue was shown though (I haven't seen it). But it was something obvious enough apparently to make all the houseguests believe that Boogie is right. They are all speaking as if he has it now, so I think it's pretty much set.
Houseguests (mainly Danielle and Erika) have been discussing about what it could be (the power).
Well, well, well, let's see what happens now!
PEACE, Mike.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:08 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Boogie is the absolute PERFECT person to win the Coup D'Etat in terms of drama. If he uses this on this thursday, the house is going to be torn to pieces. Whatever he does, he's going to majorly piss somebody off.
Gut tells me that Janelle is absolutely screwed now. It really all depends on whether Boogie uses it this week. If he doesn't use it this week, things will be different, since one of Erika and whoever Janelle puts up is going home. The thing that makes this all trippy is that Boogie doesn't know what power he has (he won't know until he chooses to use it), so maybe he won't use it this week. He may save it until Will or him are in trouble, hoping that it will save him.
Guesses I've seen thrown out so far on what the Coup D'Etat could be from different houseguests are:
- Immunity from eviction (though Danielle said that seems too powerful)
- Being able to personally evict the person of your choice
- Bringing back a houseguest whom is already voted out
I don't think anyone has guessed that the power might let you change the nominations, but I could have very well missed it.
PEACE, Mike.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:23 pm |
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MikeQ.
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Oh, and one more thing. Will and Mike Boogie essentially have a free pass for 3 weeks now (assuming that Boogie holds onto it and doesn't use it right away)! They are by and large guaranteed to make the top 6 in the game at least (meaning they will be 2 of the top 6 - that's powerful). Nobody is going to TOUCH them with Boogie in possession of this power. Sure, nobody knows exactly what it is, and nobody will until it is used, but everyone knows it's supposed to be huge, and nobody would want to dare cross Boogie and his pal Will when Boogie has it.
This game just got interesting.
PEACE, Mike.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:30 pm |
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Cotton
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So NOBODY knows what the power is, even the person who won it?
And they won't know until they use it?
Honestly, I don't see why they can't inform Boogie of what he's won. This is a game based on strategy, and I think it would actually be more interesting to see what he would do if he knew what the power was.
Oh, and I think you may be right about Janelle: she's screwed. And going by her nomination speech (saying how she takes fake friendships personally), she'snot going to be too happy when/if ChillTown screws her over.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:03 am |
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MikeQ.
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Cotton, if the winner was told right away what power he has, then the person is going to know how exactly to play it out, and that he should keep it until the third week to use it (or just keep it and not use it). Because any HOH each week in the house is NOT going to touch Boogie or anyone Boogie asks the house not to touch, knowing that Boogie will just go ahead and overthrow the HOH and change their nominations.
This way, Boogie has no clue what he has nor when he should use it. He's also going to be compelled to use it before the 3 weeks is up, because he won't want to lose it forever and not know what power he lost. This way the game will be shaken up somehow. If he knew what the power was, he may just want to hang onto it, and then if he doesn't need to use it, he won't use it.
I don't know, that's the way I see it. I suppose it could be interesting either way, but I think it's cool how nobody, not even the winner, knows what the heck this power will do. This way, it could turn the house to shambles in a week and unexpectedly too.
Anyways, I want to know what the heck the third clue was. I bet it was the grim reaper (to indicate "You REAP what you sow.") But I dunno. The feeds haven't shown it, but the house seems convinced Boogie has it. It's still weird.
PEACE, Mike.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:13 am |
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Cotton
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Yeah, I definitely see it your way too.
It comes off as too much of a gimmick, rather than something strategic (since, for all he knows, the power could very well lead to his own eviction, thus making it less likely he would ues it). I agree that the rest of the house shouldn't be told, but if they only told Boogie, it could lead to some interesting developments.
Oh, and I have to take issue with something you said earlier. Boogie is NOT the perfect person to win the Coup D'Etat.....Will is. 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:19 am |
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MikeQ.
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Cotton wrote: Boogie is NOT the perfect person to win the Coup D'Etat.....Will is. 
What's the difference? (Serious question). They're Woogie. All of their alliances mean nothing - the only true allegiance they have is to eachother.
PEACE, Mike.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:27 am |
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O
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Yup, they are pretty much guaranteed top 6. They can pretty much keep George, Marcellas, and Howie around, and have a pretty easy top 5 if they wanted to.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:41 am |
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Cotton
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MikeQ. wrote: Cotton wrote: Boogie is NOT the perfect person to win the Coup D'Etat.....Will is.  What's the difference? (Serious question). They're Woogie. All of their alliances mean nothing - the only true allegiance they have is to eachother. PEACE, Mike.
Yeah, but Will would probably be more likely to use it out of sheer fearlessness...regardless of what Mike thinks.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:49 am |
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Mister Ecks
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You reap what you sew? What? Is that really a popular BB phrase?
So... is the third clue the grim reaper?
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:16 am |
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Mister Ecks
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Sounds like I was right.
And, the season finale is on September 12th.  At least three double evictions have to be coming up, in order to end that soon. Usually it's late September.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:19 pm |
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A. G.
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At this point, based on my massive knowledge base from watching 3, count em 3, episodes...I call James and Mike as the most likely to win and Chicken George third in line.
Jannelle seems to obvious a target and will be removed at some point. The rest of them just seem like a pack of idiots to me.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:22 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Before today's veto ceremony, Janelle told Marcellas that he's going up, but not going home.
Don't take that as fact, since it seems minds can change at the last minute. Official replacement nominee for Danielle should be announced soon.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:42 pm |
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Libs
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Mr. X wrote: Before today's veto ceremony, Janelle told Marcellas that he's going up, but not going home.
Don't take that as fact, since it seems minds can change at the last minute. Official replacement nominee for Danielle should be announced soon.
Yeah I don't know if that's gonna hold up. I could def. see Will/Boogie/Danielle voting to evict Marcellas, at least.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:45 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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Especially with Erika's parting words on last night's show in the DR: "I'm just a girl from a small town called Chill." which pretty much confirms her alliance with Mike and Will.
It would be beneficial for everyone in the house to make a move on Chilltown now, despite Mike's supposed Coup d'Etat win. Unfortunately, that little Coup will probably keep Chilltown safe for three weeks, unless Mike uses it this week to take Erika off and do whatever the Coup does.
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