WOKJ Weekend Analysis July 21-23 and final gross projections
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Shack
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excel wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: excel wrote: we shall see, lecter. how you expect cars to surive in even less thetares and screens -long enough to make another 20 million-but not superman-is beyond me, really. I projected $198 million for Superman. It stands at $178 million. This means, I did project a further $20 million for Superman!  I also said that if WB wants to, they will get it past $200 million, but not without a little help. Cars is obviously holding on to theatres very well. Disney makes sure that happens and movies like Cars always, ALWAYS play very well into August and even September. lol you dont know what i mean. you expect cars to be making 20 million after it got 4.9 million. supermans getting around that. why cant it make 20 million AFTER next weekend is what im saying. itll be arond 188 by next weekend.
Try around 185 mil.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:09 am |
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Excel
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Dr. Lecter wrote: excel wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: excel wrote: we shall see, lecter. how you expect cars to surive in even less thetares and screens -long enough to make another 20 million-but not superman-is beyond me, really. I projected $198 million for Superman. It stands at $178 million. This means, I did project a further $20 million for Superman!  I also said that if WB wants to, they will get it past $200 million, but not without a little help. Cars is obviously holding on to theatres very well. Disney makes sure that happens and movies like Cars always, ALWAYS play very well into August and even September. lol you dont know what i mean. you expect cars to be making 20 million after it got 4.9 million. supermans getting around that. why cant it make 20 million AFTER next weekend is what im saying. itll be arond 188 by next weekend. Well, because the weekend after the next, it'll likely be playing in about 1,300 theatres or less...
no it wont.  id be surprised if it fell below 2000.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:11 am |
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Excel
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Shack wrote: excel wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: excel wrote: we shall see, lecter. how you expect cars to surive in even less thetares and screens -long enough to make another 20 million-but not superman-is beyond me, really. I projected $198 million for Superman. It stands at $178 million. This means, I did project a further $20 million for Superman!  I also said that if WB wants to, they will get it past $200 million, but not without a little help. Cars is obviously holding on to theatres very well. Disney makes sure that happens and movies like Cars always, ALWAYS play very well into August and even September. lol you dont know what i mean. you expect cars to be making 20 million after it got 4.9 million. supermans getting around that. why cant it make 20 million AFTER next weekend is what im saying. itll be arond 188 by next weekend. Try around 185 mil.
which as i recall, you said it what it would be getting "tops" a few weeks ago  .
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:12 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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excel wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: excel wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: excel wrote: we shall see, lecter. how you expect cars to surive in even less thetares and screens -long enough to make another 20 million-but not superman-is beyond me, really. I projected $198 million for Superman. It stands at $178 million. This means, I did project a further $20 million for Superman!  I also said that if WB wants to, they will get it past $200 million, but not without a little help. Cars is obviously holding on to theatres very well. Disney makes sure that happens and movies like Cars always, ALWAYS play very well into August and even September. lol you dont know what i mean. you expect cars to be making 20 million after it got 4.9 million. supermans getting around that. why cant it make 20 million AFTER next weekend is what im saying. itll be arond 188 by next weekend. Well, because the weekend after the next, it'll likely be playing in about 1,300 theatres or less... no it wont.  id be surprised if it fell below 2000.
How many theatres do you expect it to lose this upcoming weekend? Rememeber when you said it won't drop anywhere close to 1,000 theatres last weekend? 
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:18 am |
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Speevy
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Well if SR follows the same weekday pattern as last week it should do something like this
Monday: 1,029,600
Tuesday: 1,044,014
Wednesday: 958,405
Thursday: 1,042,559
So by the time Friday rolls around it would stand at 182,501,578 million.
It will lose a some theaters and some IMAX showings as well to Ant Bully this weekend so I think a drop around 42% is likely.
Weekend: 4,476,000(-42%)
So by the time Monday rolls around I think SR will stand at 186,977,578 and would need a 2.91 multiplier from there on out to get to 200 million. I think it will get there but it will be a snail's crawl. I don't think WB will bother with a Labor Day expansion though, because SR will already be there.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:24 am |
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Shack
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Ay, I messed up on the math before, thinking 78 + 8 was 184. So it will end up at 186-187.
Still won't be enough though.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:30 am |
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Shack
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And by the way Speevy, it would need a 3.9 multiplier. Remember that the weekend gross needs to be added into the multiplier as well, it's 17.5 / 4.476 not 13 / 4.476.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:33 am |
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Speevy
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Shack wrote: And by the way Speevy, it would need a 3.9 multiplier. Remember that the weekend gross needs to be added into the multiplier as well, it's 17.5 / 4.476 not 13 / 4.476.
Did not know that. Thanks.
That changes things a lot I think. A 3.9 multiplier is going to be very difficult. I think WB will need that Labor Day expansion and milk every penny out of SR. Even with the expansion, Lector may be right on the ball with a 198 million prediction.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:38 am |
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Excel
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182,501,578 million
Thursday: 1,042,559 ok take that +25% then give 3.9 multipler = 5,082,475 weekend-33% yall
total be 187.5, with over 190 million heading into da weekend and then 3.4 million more for round 194...guess itll only get another 4million hmmm? yeah i guess.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:06 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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excel wrote: 182,501,578 million
Thursday: 1,042,559 ok take that +25% then give 3.9 multipler = 5,082,475 weekend-33% yall
total be 187.5, with over 190 million heading into da weekend and then 3.4 million more for round 194...guess itll only get another 4million hmmm? yeah i guess.
So...ummm...why should it increase more next Friday than last and why should it have a bigger weekend multiplier?
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:23 am |
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Excel
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1. less competition
2. its the same im it go tthis weekend. 7.5/1.9=3.9
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:08 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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excel wrote: 1. less competition 2. its the same im it go tthis weekend. 7.5/1.9=3.9
7.46/1.97 = 3.79
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:15 am |
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zingy
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Heh. excel called Lecter biased. Irony.
Seriously, excel, Lecter never said it's a a bad drop. Of course the big topic of discussion is Pirates' excellent third weekend hold, despite having, you know, the biggest opening ever. You're basically saying that it'll never drop over 40% again in the rest of its run. It stands at $178.4 million. If the dailies follow the exact same pattern as last week (since apparently, you think the Friday increase will be higher for someone reason and the multiplier will get much better than it already has), we're looking at $1.007 million on Thursday. After that, a 20% Friday increase (it's going to lose more theaters this weekend, that's inevitable), a massive 50% increase on Saturday and a 22% decrease on Sunday (just to even it out) will give it $4.42 million for the weekend, another 40% drop. And it'll stand at $186.85 million. If it has 35% drops for the rest of its run, it'll just make $200 million total. But you're being unrealistic if you think it won't have one drop over that in the next four weeks. And I'm sure you also believe that it'll stay above 2000 theaters for the next four weeks, right? No! Increase the number of theaters! Just drop the bias, because in the end, $200 million is still a faaaaaaar cry from $250 million and much closer to Lecter's prediction of $201 million.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:47 am |
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Dr. Lecter
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Magnus wrote: His SR projection Excel is right. As I told you earlier, SR is looking to fall in the 198m-199m if everything goes its course right now. I think though it will pass 200m because WB will push to 200m, and Lecter even said that it could if WB really wanted it to.
Stop arguging about it. You're the one who thinks that it is still going to beat BB.
Heh, there's a reason why I called you one of the saner Superman fans 
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:45 pm |
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DP07
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I'm certain Clerks II will be lower. I think POTC2 will be higher. I actually think Devil Wears Prada will reach 130m. Otherwise I just about agree. Great article.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:01 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Well I compared Clerks to Jay and Silent Bob and that one finished with a multiplier of just above 2.7 and that with significantly worse WoM. I didn't realize it got the Labor Day boost, but then again, it also couldn't enjoy the summer weekdays throughout its run.
And thanks! 
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:06 pm |
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O
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I think your Little Man projection is a bit high....$66 m too high. 
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:35 pm |
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deathawk
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Well reasoned presentation. Enjoyed reading it.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:58 pm |
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dolcevita
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Nice projection on Inconvenient Truth. That doc just keeps trudging along. It would be hilarious if Al Gore won an Oscar.
You bastard. You put Superman *two million* shy of 200 on purpose. Hilarious twist of the knife!
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:11 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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dolcevita wrote: Nice projection on Inconvenient Truth. That doc just keeps trudging along. It would be hilarious if Al Gore won an Oscar.
You bastard. You put Superman *two million* shy of 200 on purpose. Hilarious twist of the knife!
Well, where'd be the fun if I didn't?
The Oscar for Inconvenient Truth would go to Davis Guggenheim, though, I think.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:06 pm |
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El Maskado
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Magnus wrote: I think I may be the only one. Though I still was pretty crazy last June with SR.
And after it inches past 200. You can bump up the 200 million thread and laugh at every single one of the members
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:11 pm |
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zingy
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El_Masked_fuerte_grande wrote: Magnus wrote: I think I may be the only one. Though I still was pretty crazy last June with SR.
And after it inches past 200. You can bump up the 200 million thread and laugh at every single one of the members
Shit, if Magnus doesn't, I will! Kill, you and I can rejoice in our absolutely sane predictions.
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:50 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Zingaling wrote: El_Masked_fuerte_grande wrote: Magnus wrote: I think I may be the only one. Though I still was pretty crazy last June with SR.
And after it inches past 200. You can bump up the 200 million thread and laugh at every single one of the members Shit, if Magnus doesn't, I will! Kill, you and I can rejoice in our absolutely sane predictions.
Good thing my prediction was exactly $201 million 
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Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:51 pm |
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