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Shack wrote:
The movie that beats Titanic won't be an uber blockbuster like POTC2, Shrek 3, or any of the other hyped projects in the next couple years. It'll either be:

a) Star Wars, thanks to another re-release. Maybe in 2009 or 2010.

b) A movie just like Titanic or E.T., one that opens moderate and then has godly repeat business and legs. Something that'll perform like Titanic, on a slightly bigger scale. Repeat business and the phenomenom thing is what it needs. It'll be something we don't necessarily see coming.

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c) A blockbuster, but not until like 2018 where inflation has pushed the frontloaded blockbusters to that level.


A & C are far more likely scenarios than B. The problem with B is that in the DVD era, the only movie that has truly shown the legs required was MBFGW, which in the legs department actually benefited from not achieving a large number of theaters until late in its run. Which is to say, it built up demand for 200+M over the course of its run. I just don't see how a film can build that much demand within run now. I think you could replicate its run, but not Titanics.

I would say:
a) 75% chance of working. The gap is still pretty large, even if one factors in the fanatacism of star wars fans in this regard. OTOH, if that release got it close enough, they would push it over.

b) 5% chance by 2020.

c) 80% chance. This is either 100% or 0% if you make it a range from 2015-2025. Inflation will eventually allow one of these Front loaded blockbusters to do it.

I included 0% chance in c) because it would not suprise me if there were some major change to the way the movie business works in that span, and as I have no real thought on what that might be, I can't say if it would help or hurt. I just feel certain something will happen that shows its impact by 2020 the same way DVD did 2002-4.


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Archie Gates wrote:
MadGez wrote:
MIAMI_BKB wrote:
Nebs wrote:
http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21689


Sorry, didn't see it, however, before I call it a day and get some sleep from working all night I have to ask: What was it about TITANIC and the Year 1997 when it came out that caused it to have the legs it did to enable it to gross that freak of Nature box office of 600 Million that no movie 9 years later has managed to do so yet, even through ticket inflation and more theatres and screens now including IMAX??? Is it because back then, the term "FRONTLOADED" didn't exist or movie's weren't being released to DVD as quick as they do today or what??


Actually BKB, it was a freak back then even. The fact that it grossed almost $140m more than the previous No.1 makes it all the more incredible and harder to catch.

It had many things going for it.

1. Attracted women, men, kids and elderly - every market segment. Everyone wanted to see it .
2. One of the rare occurences (at the time) of great special effects and quality story
3. Romance for women, made em cry at the end
4. Action for men
5. Had alot of negative publicity in the two years up to its release. This created awareness and then the publicity became positive.
6. Weak competition in the first quarter of 1998
7. Repeat viewings. No DVD (It was in its infancy at the time) to cut theatrical short.
8. Great release date.
9. Awards and Oscars added more $$$
10. Its phenomenonal success was widely reported in the media and this bread more success

Everything came together for it.

Most of those factors, other than the crying and awards, can also be attributed to Pirates 2. Pirates 2 has huge awareness, gets all demos, has a heavier percentage of women than most blockbusters, has action, romance, and no worse a story than that silly stereotype filled Titanic script. It also has little competition for a few weeks and even after that with MV it is not direct competition.

I don't expect this to beat Titanic but it has the best chance of any movie since Titanic and likely for the next few years as well.


It does have the best chance of any film since I agree. The only things going against it are more competition and more importantly the dvd era which cuts the number of repeat viewings. Shrek seems to be the only other film series that can cast as big a net on all demographics. Even LOTR - a film originally one would attribute to a predominantly male fanbase - attracted a strong number of females - thus allowing it to expand to almost $400m by ROTK.

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MadGez wrote:

1. Attracted women, men, kids and elderly - every market segment. Everyone wanted to see it .


This is true, but it started summer. Everyone did not want to see it when it came out; the buzz built over time. What started this buzz? I really think that it quickly became one of the best movies of all time to many, many people, causing it to become an absolute must-see for everyone.

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