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redspear
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 Re: Can POTC 2 beat Titanic?
Dreamline wrote: Opening weekend? Maybe. 
Anything can beat Titanics OW today.
PoTC2 would need about a 200 million dollar weekedn to have a shot at beating Titanic.
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Shrek 2 would now adjust to $468 m. Minor POTC spoiler
[spoil]There's just something about a cliffhanger that I don't see a Titanic gross from. #2 of all time a possiblility. But Titanic I think, you really need strong reviews as well to get those people OUTSIDE of those you'd get otherwise. [/spoil]
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Nazgul9
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Archie Gates wrote: DP07 wrote: This is too much fun today.  If you really want to get people going, make a poll asking how much it will beat ROTK by.

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Anita Hussein Briem
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Nazgul9 wrote: Archie Gates wrote: DP07 wrote: This is too much fun today.  If you really want to get people going, make a poll asking how much it will beat ROTK by. 
No way it'll touch ROTK's $800m overseas though. :p
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Neostorm
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The only time my parents have gone to the theatres in Canada was to see Titanic and their English was not as good as it is now, and yet they still went. As of yet, my parents still don't want to see this movie. If they do, I shall join this club.
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Nazgul9
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Hitokiri Battousai wrote: No way it'll touch ROTK's $800m overseas though. :p

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jb007
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Hitokiri Battousai wrote: Sith never had a chance, considering how narrow of a fanbase it had. Most average people rolled their eyes at the movie. It also had very little rewatchability. Therefore, the comparison is moot.
This post is so ludicrous, the only reply it deserves is a 
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jb007 wrote: Hitokiri Battousai wrote: Sith never had a chance, considering how narrow of a fanbase it had. Most average people rolled their eyes at the movie. It also had very little rewatchability. Therefore, the comparison is moot.
This post is so ludicrous, the only reply it deserves is a 
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bluesealee
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Of course it will...on opening weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:27 am |
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it gotits opeing weekend in like...5 hours LOL.
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Shack
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Titanic will never die.
Pirates 2 could get an 80 mil day, 200 mil weekend, and it still wouldn't come close. With that kind of opening numbers, for an anticipated sequel, it's multiplier would probably be about 2.5. Which is 500 mil... 
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Cotton
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If this watered-down Hollywood dreck beats Titanic, I will cry.
No one wants to see me cry. 
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Chippy
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You guys are talking like Titanic was an amazing film.
Not the greatest film ever made... but good. Deserving of $600 mil? Meh... I guess.
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trixster
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I hope it doesn't beat Titanic either, and I don't think it will. Could cross $500 million, but that's it.
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DP07
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Shack wrote: :tongue: Titanic will never die. Pirates 2 could get an 80 mil day, 200 mil weekend, and it still wouldn't come close. With that kind of opening numbers, for an anticipated sequel, it's multiplier would probably be about 2.5. Which is 500 mil... 
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redspear
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ChipMunky wrote: You guys are talking like Titanic was an amazing film.
Not the greatest film ever made... but good. Deserving of $600 mil? Meh... I guess.
Wii agree Chip Munky. Titanic was not the greatest film ever but it was a good film entertaining a bit long at times. Deserving of 600 well to the public it was but not really for me in hte sense of gross. I do feel it was a movie that was good enough it should of earned a net profit or in htis case 600 dollars becaus eof production costs 
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Anita Hussein Briem
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MG Casey wrote: jb007 wrote: Hitokiri Battousai wrote: Sith never had a chance, considering how narrow of a fanbase it had. Most average people rolled their eyes at the movie. It also had very little rewatchability. Therefore, the comparison is moot.
This post is so ludicrous, the only reply it deserves is a  I see you're a Star Wars fan.
Ah good, you spared me from having to say that myself.
Star Wars fans are comically delusional when talking about their pet films. Among Sith's audience, men outnumbered women 3 to 2, if that reflects anything about demographics. A movie of its type has little rewatch value if one is not interested in the subject matter, therefore keeping away ordinary moviegoers that simply want repeated entertainment. To the average Joe, Star Wars (and most fantasy in general) is a positively dorky affair. To claim otherwise would be "ludicrous."
In other news, I still see the ceiling for DMC at $500m regardless of the buzz.
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redspear
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Hitokiri Battousai wrote: MG Casey wrote: jb007 wrote: Hitokiri Battousai wrote: Sith never had a chance, considering how narrow of a fanbase it had. Most average people rolled their eyes at the movie. It also had very little rewatchability. Therefore, the comparison is moot.
This post is so ludicrous, the only reply it deserves is a  I see you're a Star Wars fan. Ah good, you spared me from having to say that myself. Star Wars fans are comically delusional when talking about their pet films. Among Sith's audience, men outnumbered women 3 to 2, if that reflects anything about demographics. A movie of its type has little rewatch value if one is not interested in the subject matter, therefore keeping away ordinary moviegoers that simply want repeated entertainment. To the average Joe, Star Wars (and most fantasy in general) is a positively dorky affair. To claim otherwise would be "ludicrous." In other news, I still see the ceiling for DMC at $500m regardless of the buzz.
To be fair SW is one of the more mainstream SF/Fantasy movies out there that does have some bleed over with non SF fansand disdain from some hardcore SF fans. the only other movie series that can hold this claim is LoTR and HP. It is as mainstream as these genres can really get.
SW is also more of an american film like comic book movies...They do well overseas but only really like 55 OS/45 dom.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Quote: To be fair SW is one of the more mainstream SF/Fantasy movies out there that does have some bleed over with non SF fansand disdain from some hardcore SF fans. the only other movie series that can hold this claim is LoTR and HP. It is as mainstream as these genres can really get.
SW is also more of an american film like comic book movies...They do well overseas but only really like 55 OS/45 dom.
The original SW was a cultural phenomenon. The prequel trilogy is a geek convention. That was firmly established after TPM came and went. At least Sith was a quality film, or... English language cannot describe what I would say. But the damage was done already.
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redspear
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Hitokiri Battousai wrote: Quote: To be fair SW is one of the more mainstream SF/Fantasy movies out there that does have some bleed over with non SF fansand disdain from some hardcore SF fans. the only other movie series that can hold this claim is LoTR and HP. It is as mainstream as these genres can really get.
SW is also more of an american film like comic book movies...They do well overseas but only really like 55 OS/45 dom. The original SW was a cultural phenomenon. The prequel trilogy is a geek convention. That was firmly established after TPM came and went. At least Sith was a good film, or... English language cannot describe what I would say.
The new SW fall prey to bad writing stiff acting and the uncanny valley effects(hmm looks rigth but it is uhmm a little off).
I wouldn't say they are good movies, even Sith was just OK. they rode entirely off of the original.
the only thing that saved me form 100% disliking TPM was the lightsaber fight at the end and Darth Maul.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Another problem is how George Lucas lost his vision with the first 2 1/2 movies. Just as an example, the battle scenes (end of TPM, end of AOTC, beginning of ROTS) were drier than bone dust, completely devoid of any momentum or emotion. What a pathetic retreat from the original Death Star battle. Watching these meant-to-be exciting scenes was like watching a stock ticker pass by.
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redspear
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Hitokiri Battousai wrote: Another problem is how George Lucas lost his vision with the first 2 1/2 movies. The battle scenes (end of TPM, end of AOTC, beginning of ROTS) were drier than bone dust, completely devoid of any momentum or emotion. What a pathetic retreat from the original Death Star battle.
If you mean the space battles definitely. Actualy 95% of the PT was devoid of emotion well except for the parts where they scream "NOOOOOOO!!!!" by the time vader said it was very weak.
Then again my favorite wide release film of the past decade was FoTR. And Infernal Affairs is in my top ten so I have peculiar tastes.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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redspear wrote: If you mean the space battles definitely. Actualy 95% of the PT was devoid of emotion well except for the parts where they scream "NOOOOOOO!!!!" by the time vader said it was very weak.
Then again my favorite wide release film of the past decade was FoTR. And Infernal Affairs is in my top ten so I have peculiar tastes.
Not peculiar at all for enjoying one of the most famous Chinese films ever.
Now back to the topic: If several years ago someone said the best shot at toppling Titanic (which won't happen anyway) is a sequel to a film based on a Disneyland ride, I'd have bruised a lung laughing.
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redspear
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Hitokiri Battousai wrote: redspear wrote: If you mean the space battles definitely. Actualy 95% of the PT was devoid of emotion well except for the parts where they scream "NOOOOOOO!!!!" by the time vader said it was very weak.
Then again my favorite wide release film of the past decade was FoTR. And Infernal Affairs is in my top ten so I have peculiar tastes. Not peculiar at all for enjoying one of the most famous Chinese films ever.  Now back to the topic: If several years ago someone said the best shot at toppling Titanic (which won't happen anyway) is a sequel to a film based on a Disneyland ride, I'd have bruised a lung laughing.
It is still a long ways from beating Titanic though. I don't think it will make it well if it gets 150 this weekend then I will seriously start to talk 500+ and titanic numbers. I expect legs to be over a 3x multiplier I always have.
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:23 am |
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mdana
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It's gotta do over $180m OW. I did some figures around ROTS opening to figure out what would topple Titanic. A sequel has never been #1. I think DVDs will take the sting out of it at the end if it gets close. I would look for a Shrek 2 over Shrek ratio, so $500m+ is very possible. Might be a lock for #2.
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