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Pirates of the Carribean II RT Watch: Second review is up
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MovieDude
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 Pirates of the Carribean II RT Watch: Second review is up Hey guys, is there already a review tracking reviews for this on RT and sites like that? If not, I hope ya'll don't mind if I try and give this sort of thread a try. As of now, I've only seen one review online for PotC 2, but it's an absolute rave from Moriarty of AintItCool: http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23694
Say what you will about the site, but it's the first credible review and if they keep up like this I think we're on course for some great things out of this one...
Last edited by MovieDude on Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:05 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Excel
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sweet! the ending doesnt sound like a problem.
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Rev
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Quote: Let’s answer the big question: is Johnny Depp as much fun this time as he was in the original? Is it still fresh? The answer is an unreserved yes. Again, the EMPIRE model applies. Remember how cool Han Solo was in STAR WARS the first time you saw it? And then remember how much cooler he seemed when EMPIRE came out? This is that big a jump, and you can tell right away when they manage to come up with an introduction that is just as fun as the way Captain Jack was introduced in the first film. Depp’s marked in this film, cursed and on the run, doing anything he can to save his own skin. It’s a great dilemma to give him, and Depp really rises to the occasion.
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Seriously. I can't wait for this movie to come out already. Positive review.
Quote: That’s what happened to everyone aboard the Dutchman, and they’re all kept alive by the mercy of Davy Jones. The longer they live as part of his crew, the more they become one with the sea, so everyone of Davy’s crew is crazy and mutated and unique. One of the unsung heroes of this film appears to be Crash McCreery, a designer and production artist whose work has always blown me away. He’s got a wicked imagination, and if you keep your eyes open and look at all the pirates in all the Davy Jones scenes, you’re going to see some crazy stuff. Even if you hate the rest of the movie (and I can’t imagine you would), the Davy Jones sequences are masterfully staged sequences of imagination, great horror movie mood pieces. He can't imagine anyone not liking this movie!
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A. G.
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Sounds good, and Moriarty is one of their more credible reviewers.
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Snrub
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Archie Gates wrote: Sounds good, and Moriarty is one of their more credible reviewers. I hold Moriarty on an even lower pedestal than Harry.
As far as the review goes... notice how it seems glowing, yet at no point is it ever enthusiastic.
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A. G.
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Snrub wrote: Archie Gates wrote: Sounds good, and Moriarty is one of their more credible reviewers. I hold Moriarty on an even lower pedestal than Harry. But you do have him on a pedestal. Even I don't go that far.  Snrub wrote: As far as the review goes... notice how it seems glowing, yet at no point is it ever enthusiastic. It's not glowing, even seemingly so, because he makes it clear that he didn't like Pirates 1 all that much. He liked it some, and he likes this one more. He doesn't rave about Pirates 2 in the review because he's lukewarm to the whole concept.
*Distracts Snrub with a Bender video*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAggxIECe5M
I edited a lot of useless blather out of my response.
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Excel
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the one thing is..."not as good as the first" is not what i wanted to hear, i rewatched the first one last week and i....it just wasnt as good as i remembered it being.
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He thinks the film improves on the original, so where do you get that from?
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Excel
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imdb users are saying 1 is better. thats where i got it.
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tina_als_girl
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excel wrote: imdb users are saying 1 is better. thats where i got it. Yeah, and what IMDb user are you getting that from? You don't even know if they truly did see the movie. And Moriarty's a hell of a lot more credible than any IMDb user.
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xiayun
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David Poland raved with just a little reservation:
Quote: Like Superman Returns, Pirates 2 is too long by about 30 minutes. And the script tends to bog down every time the story gets a bit complex for its own good.
Oh yes… And Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest is easily the best studio confection of the year ... kicking ass, taking names, and reminding us all of the joy that going to a big summer movie is supposed to inspire in us.
The sweet gruel is thick here, so I am a little at a loss at where to begin with non-spoiler details. (There are some spoilers out there - not like the Superman Returns spoilers that are pretty obvious from the word "go," so be careful as you read about the film... including perusing IMDb) I guess the place to start is by saying that I was surprised that this is, essentially, a Middle Movie. There were indications of this as the film went along, but I wasn't sure whether it would be a standalone story until pretty close to the end.
And he ended with the following: Quote: But sitting back in that theater, watching some old friends going through the paces, louder, faster, and funnier, is an unmitigated pleasure. I can't wait to see this one again and next summer, to finish this particular thread with Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. There are story turns hinted at, some of which are hard to imagine happening and others that would be so delicious that kids (old & young) would return their candy to the snack bar, utterly overstuffed with giddiness. But we'll see whether 3 takes us that one step further.
Meanwhile, Pirates 2 turns the sluggish summer on its head and makes me optimistic about enjoying summer movies - well, some summer movies - again.
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redspear
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Archie Gates wrote: [quotehe makes it clear that he didn't like Pirates 1 all that much. This makes the review more credible for me. Maybe this one will be better. It really had no place to go but up in my book though.
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Quote: It’s smart, it’s funny, it plays out on an epic scale while still putting character first, and it builds to a conclusion that will have audiences twisting in agony as they have to wait for PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 3: AT WORLD’S END next summer. Basically, it’s everything fans of the first film hope it will be, but it’s also good enough to win over people who were unconvinced by that first movie. Effin' SWEET!
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Raziel
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You know it's funny that Moriarty made such a comparison to Empire Strikes Back. When I first saw Pirates 1 with some friends I pointed out that the basic outline was very similar to Star Wars :A New Hope. They looked at me like I was on crack.
Here are some of the elements which I thought reminded me of Star Wars
1) Will is an orphan, leading a lowly lifde as a blacksmith, who believed his father dies a law abiding citizen.
Luke Was an orphan, leading a lowly life as a moisture farmer, who believed his father died a honorable Jedi Knight
2) Elizebeth governor's daughter
Leia is a princess
3) Will meets up with Pirate, Jack Sparrow, and form an alliance. Jack goes along to get his ship, and Will goes along to save Elizebeth.
Luke meets with Solo and form an alliance. Solo goes along to get his reward and Luke goes along to deliver the Death Star Plans, and rrescue the princess along the way.
4) Will and Jack stop off at the scummy port of Tortuga to pick up a crew.
Luke and Obi Wan stop of at scummy Mos Eisly Space port to pick up a charter.
5) Luke Finds out that his father was not the law abiding citezen he thought he was.
Will Finds out his father was a pirate.
6) Han Solo was thought to be a greedy space pirate until he ends up saving the day.
Sparrow also thought to be a greedy pirate ends up saving the day.
Now after reading the details of Moriarty's review it looks as though many elements from ESB were used for the sequel.
Does anyone think that possibly elements from ROTJ might be used for the final sequel?
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STEVE ROGERS
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Raziel wrote: You know it's funny that Moriarty made such a comparison to Empire Strikes Back. When I first saw Pirates 1 with some friends I pointed out that the basic outline was very similar to Star Wars :A New Hope. They looked at me like I was on crack.
Here are some of the elements which I thought reminded me of Star Wars
1) Will is an orphan, leading a lowly lifde as a blacksmith, who believed his father dies a law abiding citizen.
Luke Was an orphan, leading a lowly life as a moisture farmer, who believed his father died a honorable Jedi Knight
2) Elizebeth governor's daughter
Leia is a princess
3) Will meets up with Pirate, Jack Sparrow, and form an alliance. Jack goes along to get his ship, and Will goes along to save Elizebeth.
Luke meets with Solo and form an alliance. Solo goes along to get his reward and Luke goes along to deliver the Death Star Plans, and rrescue the princess along the way.
4) Will and Jack stop off at the scummy port of Tortuga to pick up a crew.
Luke and Obi Wan stop of at scummy Mos Eisly Space port to pick up a charter.
5) Luke Finds out that his father was not the law abiding citezen he thought he was.
Will Finds out his father was a pirate.
6) Han Solo was thought to be a greedy space pirate until he ends up saving the day.
Sparrow also thought to be a greedy pirate ends up saving the day.
Now after reading the details of Moriarty's review it looks as though many elements from ESB were used for the sequel.
Does anyone think that possibly elements from ROTJ might be used for the final sequel?
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tina_als_girl
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Raziel wrote: Does anyone think that possibly elements from ROTJ might be used for the final sequel? Based on the first 50 pages of the PotC3 script, I'd say yup, elements from ROTJ can be spotted, all in a good way. Definitely no Ewoks (as much as I like 'em, I understand people's complaints against ROTJ).
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A. G.
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One thing I love about POTC is that it isn't about the fate of the world as in most movies of this kind. It's just about you caring what happens to the main characters, they don't have to have that artificial "If we don't win everyone will be destroyed!" plot to make you get into it. It looks like the sequels are keeping that aspect, which is a relief.
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Raziel
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LEX_BKB wrote: You raise a very good point but hopefully there will be no Ewok dance involved.. Yes, I think ROTJ could have been ranked up near ANH or ESB, had it not been for the overly silly Ewoks and some lazy performancesby the rest of the actors. I thought ROTJ was still good though. Quote: Based on the first 50 pages of the PotC3 script, I'd say yup Thanks for the info. Is that script online anywhere?
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tina_als_girl
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Yup. Only 51 pages are up. It starts here:
http://www.jacksparrow.jp/potc3/page1.html
As it would be with any actual script of a movie... there are MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS, including SPOILERS FOR DMC.
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