Meet the Parents? MTP - 166. MTF - 279. That's, what, a 57% increase?

Just because it doesn't happen often doesn't mean it can't.

Then why did PotC1 stop at $305M? Why didn't it go up to $400M like Spidey, or more? It stayed in theaters for a long time.

Meet the Parents was a lot less popular than PotC1 and Shrek 1, though. Shrek is the only that somewhat compares to PotC and had a sequel that went up big time.

Because people waited for its DVD release.

there was no need, the 2nd film will get there in no time anyway

Sure...

BTW, Nemo sold like 40%+ more DVDs than Pirates; yet, the Incredibles opened to the same numbers as Nemo, and grossed significantly less.

FotR sold more DVDs than Pirates; TTT didn't beat it by much.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to prove that PotC2 will gross below $250M here. I'm trying to prove that has close to 0 chance at $500M. I do think $400M is a good possibility.

The Incredibles was released in November, and Finding Nemo in May? I think there's a world of a difference there. Plus, just because Pixar has one $300+ million film doesn't make their follow-ups a guaranteed $300 million film.

If DVD sales were as significant as some people say, you would think that the next film by the makers of the best-selling DVD of all time would have a more significant boost than it got. Pixar is a brand, it's like a franchise.

Because most of that "long time" was spent in $1 theaters. At least here in the KC area, PotC1 was in the regular theaters the same amount of time as any other movie. But it stayed in our $1 and $2 theaters for several months after it was out of the regular theaters.

So, of course, $1 theaters as opposed to theaters with $7.50 tickets is going to affect how much it levels out at, even with it being in theaters a long time.

Joy

TTT didn't gross that much more than FOTR because LOTR had an established fanbase that just grew. It's quite a rarity to see something like that. Pirates on the other hand was a fresh experience. Its small fanbase consisted most likely of people who enjoyed the ride. I don't even know if I should call that fanbase.

Pirates has no fanbase. They just have alot of people who liked the movie and 95% will watch the sequel in theaters.

You can say the same thing for Shrek.

Indeed, any film that is huge without a central fanbase has he potential to have a massive sequel

588m size

What the hell, I'm in.

Go to Keep to the Code or Crossing Blades or IMDb and try to tell that to the Rumrunners face to face.

You know what?

Count me IN for this club. I've wavered too long.

Joy

Pirates has it's fans, but it doesn't really have a hardcore fanbase. Revolutions is right that 95% of the audience will be regular joes and janes.

No hardcore fanbase? Heh.

We still have screenings of CotBP across the country... *interactive* screenings a la Rocky Horror... and they almost always sell out.

I already know at least ten different people who will be fully costumed for the movie at the KC Regal Cinema.

There are people going to Toys 'r' Us, Wal*Mart, etc. two or three times a week hoping to find the latest PotC product release.

People are actually participating in the Kodak promotion where you get a free DMC ticket if you purchase $20 from the Kodak PotC EasyShare gallery.

I could go on and on, but there are just as many hardcore fans for PotC as there are for Harry Potter or LOTR or any number of major movies.

Joy

Okay, I agree it does have a fanbase, but as big as Harry Potter? No, not at all. It's is just that its appeal goes beyond the fanbase.

Easy. Pirates ran out of summer. Spider-man opened in May. It had an extra two months of summer that Pirates didn't have.

I disagree with this. I think Pirates simply was not a known name, unlike Spidey. Therefore more people waited until DVD.

I don't disagree with that. I think we both know, however, how much Pirates would have benefitted from a Memorial Day weekend release. Two months of summer as opposed to three or four?

Well, summer weekdays help, but honestly I think it does more for a massive opener then a leggy film like Pirates. With a May release it would have had summer until the end of its run, but there is another side to the coin that would have hurt it: after 6 weeks or so it would have lost many more theaters as blockbusters would have kept opening. Pirates ended up with the best of both worlds IMO. It had the summer weekdays for most of its run (by the time they ended it was down to under 10m a weekend) and it was able to keep its PTA high enough to hold onto theaters until the last of the tentpoles had been released. Then, when the PTA was finally low enough to usually make it vulnerable to losing screens, it had less competition and was still able to keep them into September.

I think the Italian Job is a good example of what can happen to a leggy film under the weight of one blockbuster after another. It had a re-release, but I think it would have been even higher if it opened in July. IMO anytime in summer is good for a massive sequel, but for a leggy movie July works best. BTW, WC is another example.

POTC has a huge fanbase, just not dedicated like LOTR or HP or those...Like someone earlier said, its more broad, and appeals to more people as a more fun movie...Movies like HP or LOTR come from books and they have hard core fans who have read the books, POTC, appeals to so many ppl which is why it will be huge!

But appealing to many people and having a hardcore fanbase are different things. I'm sure PotC has some fans, maybe even many, but I'm sure it's not even close to LotR, HP, and SW.

Indeed... it's way more.

I mean come on! Everyone... or at least 80% of the people you know have seen the first one. And I almost gaurantee you that less than 4% of that 80+% liked it and will see the sequel.

You can't say that with those other 3