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Chippy
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You have all gone mad!
You are all still upset Ratner directed it! You're all upset they killed off some of your favorites! That doesn't mean the movie sucks. I mean, they killed off Jean Grey in X2 and nobody got pissy.
You should all rewatch it with an open mind. It was a great movie!
It had tons of action, it had, imo, a great story.
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Fri May 26, 2006 12:43 pm |
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bABA
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Dr. Lecter
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ChipMunky wrote: You have all gone mad!
You are all still upset Ratner directed it! You're all upset they killed off some of your favorites! That doesn't mean the movie sucks. I mean, they killed off Jean Grey in X2 and nobody got pissy.
You should all rewatch it with an open mind. It was a great movie!
It had tons of action, it had, imo, a great story.
As I said, it is not (just) Ratner's fault. The screenwriters sucked.
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The Dark Shape
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Dr. Lecter wrote: A question to those who have seen it...
Why does at the final battle the day turns into night so rapidly? The entire audience I was seeing it with was asking this question I think...
That looked stupid.
Well, it was already sundown when Magneto shifted the bridge.
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Fri May 26, 2006 1:04 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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The Dark Shape wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: A question to those who have seen it...
Why does at the final battle the day turns into night so rapidly? The entire audience I was seeing it with was asking this question I think...
That looked stupid. Well, it was already sundown when Magneto shifted the bridge.
I know, but it would never turn night so fast. Seriously.
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Fri May 26, 2006 1:45 pm |
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Cleric
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Also, what was the point of moving the bridge? Why didn't they just get a boat? Magneto seemed fine using a boat in the first movie...And the day/night thing is really bad. One second it is day, the next it is pitch black. You can say the sun was setting but it takes more than one minute to set.
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The Dark Shape
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It's a bit harder to use a boat when you have fifty mutants coming with you.
Magnus101 wrote: When Jean dies, well, you never feel for her throughout the movie so there is no reason to even care if she dies.
Er, if you say so. I felt more for Jean's death here than I did in X2.
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Dr. Lecter
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I felt for her much more in the second film than in this one.
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Fri May 26, 2006 1:54 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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My problem with the first two films in this franchise is the disconnect. I like them, but I don't really care about anybody other than Magneto. Whether it was a conscious choice by Bryan Singer or not, the entire universe has a cold disconnected feel to it, and that's why Jean's death in X2 never really affected me.
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Fri May 26, 2006 1:59 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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The Dark Shape wrote: My problem with the first two films in this franchise is the disconnect. I like them, but I don't really care about anybody other than Magneto. Whether it was a conscious choice by Bryan Singer or not, the entire universe has a cold disconnected feel to it, and that's why Jean's death in X2 never really affected me.
Funny, because I feel the exact opposite. I didn't care much about anyone in the third film except for Magneto and partially Wolvie, whereas I thought the first two movies connected much better.
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Fri May 26, 2006 2:02 pm |
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bABA
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magneto is the only character in this one i cared about too.
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Fri May 26, 2006 2:29 pm |
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What was the point of Angel and his flashback? He is of no importance to the story as a whole, he is just the reason that his father developed the cure. Why bother giving a pseudo-part? He escapes from the lab, then he goes to the mansion and has one line, and then he never speaks again. Did Collosus say anything aside from responding to Bobby's question that one time. Everyone was given no kind of fleshed out arc, or storylines.
Mystique is in all of 5 minutes, and Cyclops didn't even get a death scene, he was just gone. There are 2 scenes that come to mind right now that i thought were really well done. Actually, one of them isn't really a scene, just something i thought was cool. Magneto throwing the cars and Pyro lighting them on fire was pretty damn awesome, and i really liked that. The one scene as a whole that was done quite well, was the Wolverine/Jean scene in the lab when she woke up. I thought that Famke did a great job, and that Phoenix was really frightening. After that though, she was pushed to the background. Could the dialogue be any more tailored to morons? There was no subtext or anything like that, everyone always felt the need to say something, and then do a quick follow up to be completely clear on all points. Storm's "you love her" when she and Logan were arguing was useless. Yes, we know, he loves her. Everyone knows, why are you saying it, and in such a "revelation" way?
What makes me so upset/angry is the fact that this movie could have been so much better. There was so much potential that was wasted.
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Fri May 26, 2006 3:01 pm |
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thompsoncory
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 When Brett Ratner was announced as the new director for the third and final film in the X-Men trilogy, many fans groaned in protest. The first two films are widely regarded as some of the best superhero movies ever made, largely thanks to the character development and skillful direction from Bryan Singer. Ratner, who is most famous for helming the Rush Hour films, didn't seem like the ideal choice for this franchise. Despite the fact that the entire original cast was returning, people seemed very worried that this would turn out to be a major disappointment. Thankfully, they were wrong. Thanks to spectacular action, great new characters and an exciting new storyline, Ratner has crafted a film that stays true to the form set by the other two. It is also sure to be one of the best films of the summer. The film begins a few years after the second, in a time where mutants have finally been accepted into regular society. There's even a newly appointed Secretary Of Mutant Affairs, a mutant named Hank McCoy (Kelsey Grammer) working closely alongside the President. But everything changes when a formula that "cures" mutants of their powers is discovered. As the product begins its national launch, the lines are once again drawn between the X-Men, led by Professor X (Patrick Stewart) and the Brotherhood, led by the vicious Magneto (Ian McKellen). As the Brotherhood prepares for battle against the humans that want them to change, Wolverine (Hugh Jackman), Storm (Halle Berry) and the rest of the gang must suit up one last time to defend the people that fear them. But the Brotherhood has a new ally in the form of Jean Grey (Famke Janssen), who comes back from the dead as the vicious and ruthless Phoenix - the most powerful mutant that man has ever seen. One of the strengths that the X-Men films have is the remarkable ensemble that is on display. Every one of the original actors return here and seem very comfortable in playing these roles. While some get less screentime than others, all of them once again make a great impression on the viewer. Hugh Jackman once again proves that he is a great action hero, playing the role of Wolverine with a lot of charm and ferocity. The character is multi-layered and Jackman really allows the viewer to identify with him. Halle Berry returns in a much-expanded role here as Storm, and is strong once again in playing the character. She has good chemistry with the rest of the cast and gets plenty of moments to shine. Ian McKellen is great, as usual, as Magneto and doesn't allow the character to become just another caricature. Patrick Stewart is good as Professor X and does well with the material he has been given. Anna Paquin, who isn't given a whole lot to do here despite appearing in a large amount of the film, is solid and allows you to understand what her character is going through. Shawn Ashmore as Iceman and Aaron Stanford as Pyro are given much more to do and are both strong as well. Rebecca Romijn and James Marsden are both featured in roles that are smaller-than-expected, but they manage to do a decent job. Famke Janssen, however, is the best of the lead characters - delivering a performance that is both terrifying and full of soul. She tackles her character head-on and makes the transition from good to evil completely believable. The cast list doesn't stop there. Several new actors have been added to the cast and do a great job here. Vinnie Jones plays the famed Juggernaut and gives a memorable performance, giving the character the sort of self-centered charm that is required. Ben Foster, despite being featured prominently in all of the film's advertising materials, really isn't given a whole lot to do here and doesn't get enough screentime to make an impression on the audience. Kelsey Grammer is remarkable as Hank (better known as Beast) and proves that he is a great action hero - he is very interesting and likable in the role. The best of the new cast members is Ellen Page as Kitty Pryde. After delivering one of the year's strongest performances in the thriller Hard Candy, she gives the role a lot of humanity and proves to be a great action heroine. It is hard not to fall under the spell of her character. Brett Ratner has done a great job here in terms of direction, never making the film feel any different from the previous two. The film moves at a fast pace and the action sequences are simply spectacular. A sequence involving the Golden Gate Bridge is possibly one of the strongest usages of visual effects thus far. The finale of the film itself is non-stop excitement and is sure to have you on the edge of your seat. The screenplay by Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn is strong as well. Since this is supposedly the last film in the series (although it seems obvious that another will follow if this is a success), they aren't afraid to discard some of the characters we have become familiar with - throwing in a lot of surprises and many twists and turns throughout. They also do a solid job in developing some of the newer characters and ones that weren't given much to do in the previous films. Overall, X-Men: The Last Stand is the most exciting and enjoyable action film to come along in quite a while. It seems to have been made with much care and consideration for the fans, and deserves to stand amongst its predeccessors as a truly brilliant superhero series. This is not only the action film to beat this summer, but it is also sure to be one of the best films of the year. 9/10 (A)
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Fri May 26, 2006 3:21 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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I gave it a B+/B the big problem really is it was too short. The movie needed 20-30 minutes to really bring things together. That way they could have gave more screen time to Angel, Rouge and others. That is Fox's fault they rushed this film into production. The movie is enjoyable and I loved Magneto's scenes and Wolverine was fun, but it could have better if it was longer.
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Fri May 26, 2006 3:54 pm |
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That's how you make a summer movie! Forget trying to make the perfect plot, dialog, and oscar worthy acting! I had low expectations because of all the bitching from so called fans. But it was a great ride that I will take again sometime this weekend.
Professor X had one of the best death scenes of a favorite character ever! And one of the last scenes of the movie with Jean and Wolverine ( Flesh peeling should be in all movies from now on!) was uncorked joy!
Damn and that new Superman trailer has me pumped!
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Fri May 26, 2006 4:22 pm |
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neo_wolf
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I didnt do it for them, i did it all for you!
Yuck! The real wolvering would not have said something cheesy like that.
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Fri May 26, 2006 5:14 pm |
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Levy
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Dr Malcom wrote: What was the point of Angel and his flashback? He is of no importance to the story as a whole, he is just the reason that his father developed the cure. Why bother giving a pseudo-part?
Exactly my point. You introduce him pre-credits. You simply only do that if this character is integral to the story. He's in it what? Five minutes? And that's basically the problem with all the subplots, they are resolved, hanging loose throughout the movie
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bABA
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Levy wrote: Dr Malcom wrote: What was the point of Angel and his flashback? He is of no importance to the story as a whole, he is just the reason that his father developed the cure. Why bother giving a pseudo-part? Exactly my point. You introduce him pre-credits. You simply only do that if this character is integral to the story. He's in it what? Five minutes? And that's basically the problem with all the subplots, they are resolved, hanging loose throughout the movie
look dude.
magneto wants to save his kind
6 mutants try to stop him
hes disgusted by them
why the hell does he sacrifice so many mutants against these 6 when he alone has so much influence over 2 of them. collosus and wolverine are absolutely defenseless agains him. he could have easily just .... made them obselete. but he didn't.
then these mutants walking in weren't doing shit. and why didn't that sonic dude just rip them plastics guns away ... why first send in an entire regiments of mutants to get unmutanized
and that multiple dude acting as decoy. didn't he realize that the minute hes detected, they'll get rid of his powers as well ... the same power hes been fighting to keep?
the movie plot holes are a mess.
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Fri May 26, 2006 5:40 pm |
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kypade
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Meh.
I dunno what to say.
They could make sixty X-Men films and I would each and every one of them.
There's really so so so much that could be done.
And there's most definitely so so so much that they could have done with this particular film.
But. Well.
Like I said, dunno what to say.
I just walked out kinda cold. Down. Rly didn't feel anything one way or another. Cheeze.
Mehh.
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DP07
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The Dark Shape wrote: It's a bit harder to use a boat when you have fifty mutants coming with you. Magnus101 wrote: When Jean dies, well, you never feel for her throughout the movie so there is no reason to even care if she dies. Er, if you say so. I felt more for Jean's death here than I did in X2.
Same here.
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Fri May 26, 2006 6:36 pm |
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DP07
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Magnus101 wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: A question to those who have seen it...
Why does at the final battle the day turns into night so rapidly? The entire audience I was seeing it with was asking this question I think...
That looked stupid. It was a big plot hole in the film that I also heard many people go, "WTF?" But honestly, who liked the action in X2 better? While the movie only really had like 3 good action scenes(Nightcrawler, invasion at Xaiver, & the end) those combined were bettter than all the action sequences in X3. That's why I'm like really dissapointed with this, because at the least, I expected this to have the best action. Arg, I just can't get over this. This film has like ruined the whole franchise for me. Everything that was set up in the previous two just got destroyed by this one and had no meaning. I mean, Scott and Mystique are freakin gone in like 5 minutes. Rogue is hardly in the film. I could go on and on. Man, its been like 5 hours and I'm still pissed off. X2 had much better staged and paced action scenes. The fight between Wolvie and Lady Deathstrike is excellent.
I disagree. I thought that was mediocre at best. Nothing visually impressive or stylish IMO. Nearly every action scene in X3 was better IMO.
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Fri May 26, 2006 6:38 pm |
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Thegun
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Sadly a movie that has been hury by fanboyism and hatred towards Ratner that many's opinions haven't changed.
In my opinion, Brett Ratner has done where Joel Schumacher and Richard lester have failed. He has gone into a popular superhero franchise that has been abandoned by its creater and has turned it into the most entertaining film of the year.
I love the Xmen, although never reading the comics I was a big fan of the toys and the cartoon series. I loved the first movie, and thought the 2nd film expanded the characters even more, making one of the of the most exciting films of the year in every area. Fastforward 3 years later and despite all the backlash, the movie is very well made.
To begin with the great
-The action is superb, the best of the series, all of the battles were well executed, shot well, and some great eye candy to watch. The acting is the same as all the films, with every character doing their respected parts. One thing I liked was the fact that I thought Halle would hurt the film, but she actually does a very good job as the teams new leader. The deaths that you see or powers lost are very well done, and although some of them miss the dramatic punch, none of them are by any means cheesy or laughable, just needed a little more.
There really is nothing wrong with the pacing. The story is grounded and crisis is impending. The films itself is not as structurally sound as the other two, but its not distracting in any way.
The bad. Really I'm nitpicking. I feel that it could have been longer, especially for a little more development of the smaller characters. I would have loved to see more of the Juggernaut, Vinnie was great and a sidekick he is certainly not. I mean a little backstory on the newer characters is all I'm asking.
All in all, Xmen 3 is a solid entry in the series. I was entertained throughout, caring for my characters who were gone. Really felt for Wolverine, Storm, Beast and the new members, and the ending really got me excited. Bring on more superhero films like this. And I'm not sure what you guys are talking about, the movie was applauded at 3:30 today. Too many people are obsessed in bashing the film that they will include the entire theater. The movie will easily be the biggest of the series, and I don't see the series loosing too much steam. Just a little more steady production time.
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Fri May 26, 2006 7:09 pm |
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dar
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Loved it completely.
Things I didn't like: The movie raises some ethical questions in the first half, that weren' picked up in the second... and I don't see how the dilema of "the cure" was solved with that ending... were mutants still taking it, and what were the X-men doing about it?
It's funny to hear people talking about lack of character development: It's the same complain since Xmen 1. You are never gonna have enough time for all the characters, but there are a few that had great moments. And beast rocked.
I didn't like how they handled Cyclops' death... or Mystique's "situation". But for both Magneto and Xavier, their scenes were amazing. I must be a geek, but I nearly cried.
The action was amazing. The climax left me breathless. I liked some dramatic choices (Like Angel saving his father) and didn't think the dialogue was that cheesy at all.
About the so-called "plot-holes"... when you have around twenty people with superpowers in a film you can always say "Why X didn't do this ir that or destroyed that with this?" but that is not a plothole. In a battle, not always the strongest one wins, or achieves its full potential.
And, of course, loved to death the scene after the credits. The freaks like me who stayed gave it a big ovation.
EDIT: Sorry If it was too spoiler-y... I thought everybody reading this thread would do so after watching the film. My bad.
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Fri May 26, 2006 7:26 pm |
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Thegun
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dar wrote: Loved it completely.
Things I didn't like: The movie raises some ethical questions in the first half, that weren't picked up in the second... and I don't see how the dilema of "the cure" was solved with that ending... were mutants still taking it, and what were the X-men doing about it?
It's funny to hear people talking about lack of character development: It's the same complain since Xmen 1. You are never gonna have enough time for all the characters, but there are a few that had great moments. And beast rocked.
I didn't like how they handled Cyclops' death... or Mystique's "situation". But for both Magneto and Xavier, their scenes were amazing. I must be a geek, but I nearly cried.
The action was amazing. The climax left me breathless. I liked some dramatic choices (Like Angel saving his father) and didn't think the dialogue was that cheesy at all.
About the so-called "plot-holes"... when you have around twenty people with superpowers in a film you can always say "Why X didn't do this ir that or destroyed that with this?" but that is not a plothole. In a battle, not always the strongest one wins, or achieves its full potential.
And, of course, loved to death the scene after the credits. The freaks like me who stayed gave it a big ovation. Dar immediately put the spoil around some important moments in the film, its not fair to others just reading.
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Jedi Master Carr
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Thegun wrote: Sadly a movie that has been hury by fanboyism and hatred towards Ratner that many's opinions haven't changed.
In my opinion, Brett Ratner has done where Joel Schumacher and Richard lester have failed. He has gone into a popular superhero franchise that has been abandoned by its creater and has turned it into the most entertaining film of the year. I love the Xmen, although never reading the comics I was a big fan of the toys and the cartoon series. I loved the first movie, and thought the 2nd film expanded the characters even more, making one of the of the most exciting films of the year in every area. Fastforward 3 years later and despite all the backlash, the movie is very well made.
To begin with the great -The action is superb, the best of the series, all of the battles were well executed, shot well, and some great eye candy to watch. The acting is the same as all the films, with every character doing their respected parts. One thing I liked was the fact that I thought Halle would hurt the film, but she actually does a very good job as the teams new leader. The deaths that you see or powers lost are very well done, and although some of them miss the dramatic punch, none of them are by any means cheesy or laughable, just needed a little more.
There really is nothing wrong with the pacing. The story is grounded and crisis is impending. The films itself is not as structurally sound as the other two, but its not distracting in any way.
The bad. Really I'm nitpicking. I feel that it could have been longer, especially for a little more development of the smaller characters. I would have loved to see more of the Juggernaut, Vinnie was great and a sidekick he is certainly not. I mean a little backstory on the newer characters is all I'm asking.
All in all, Xmen 3 is a solid entry in the series. I was entertained throughout, caring for my characters who were gone. Really felt for Wolverine, Storm, Beast and the new members, and the ending really got me excited. Bring on more superhero films like this. And I'm not sure what you guys are talking about, the movie was applauded at 3:30 today. Too many people are obsessed in bashing the film that they will include the entire theater. The movie will easily be the biggest of the series, and I don't see the series loosing too much steam. Just a little more steady production time.
A
One thing I disagree with Lester. Superman 2 was a great film, now Superman 3 is another story.
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